Florida got undiciplined and paid for it, sound familiar Wild fans?
They sure did and yes it does. You cannot do that in the playoffs. Eichel is making the most of his first playoffs isnt he? Man that gamble paid off.
Eichel is making the most of his first playoffs isnt he? Man that gamble paid off.
It has…I’d be interested to see how serious the Wild was with aquiring Eichel…of course fitting $10aav would be difficult, but we can keep kicking the excuse can down the road of how much it costs to aquire a #1 center and yet we still don’t have one…
as mentioned, it was a huge risk for Vegas trading for a $10aav guy who needed neck surgery that his former team’s doctors said he shouldn’t get…did the Wild think the risk was too much? did they back out due to the cap issues? Did they think his character issues were real?
, it was a huge risk for Vegas trading for a $10aav guy who needed neck surgery that his former team’s doctors said he shouldn’t get
Man when he tripped into Tkachuk I thought he rebroke his neck, that was a brutal looking hit, although surprisingly no fault of Tkachuk imo.
so there’s 4 options for the Wild and Gus that will play out over the next 30 days…
1) Wild signs him to a 3 year deal around $3aav (What the Wild wants)
2) Team takes him to arbitration and he signs a 2 year deal as is walked to UFA and likely traded after next season (What Gus’s agent wants – ala Fiala)
3) Wild trades him before the draft for picks and/or prospects (I’d focus on the Kings if they don’t sign Korpisalo, they have the prospects the Wild would want, perhaps we could take Cal Peterson back if they ate 50% of his deal and he’s the stopgap to Wallstedt? I know he had a really rough season last year, maybe he’s another “Gus” reclamation project? Kings would definately want him off their books…
4) Another team submits an offer sheet after July 1st, if the offer is under $4,290,125 aav and the Wild doesn’t match it, the Wild receives a 2nd round pick in 2024. If he’s offered more than $4,291,126 aav and the Wild don’t match, then they receive a 1st & 3rd pick in 2024
I just wonder what his trade value really is? I mean, he had a fantastic season, but that is definitely not a big body of work to go off of. I cannot imagine teams would go hog wild and give crazy prospects for him.
I just wonder what his trade value really is? I mean, he had a fantastic season, but that is definitely not a big body of work to go off of. I cannot imagine teams would go hog wild and give crazy prospects for him.
Well, his previous seasons were with a young rebuilding Senators team, so there’s an excuse for non-stellar results…
I think he could return a good Center prospect… and the Kings are a good team to deal with (if they don’t resign Korpisalo) as they have an excess of good center prospects that all can’t play due to their NHL roster set at center for awhile (Turcotte or Pinelli are the two i’d focus on) especially if we take back Cal Peterson on a reduced salary…Peterson wouldn’t be ideal, but it might be a required pain point to get through these next 2 tough seasons and get a quality center prospect in return…just a thought the Kings would likely demand to get a good prospect out of them…
I think the offer sheet option is closer than most think, not sure the Wild could match a $4aav deal and what team wouldn’t burn a 2nd round pick to get a ready now NHL goalie…
Sounds like Carter Hart is on the market as well…
Relax he will resign. Both sides have sounded pretty confident in that including his agent.
Relax he will resign. Both sides have sounded pretty confident in that including his agent.
agreed, i’m just laying out all the options… I think 3 x $3 is what the Wild is offering and GMBG will take it to arbitration if forced…
Did Kaprizov stay in the States for the summer or did he go back to Russia?
I haven’t heard anything definitive but heard he was going to stay.
Good lord Eichel what a pass.
I was looking through some mock drafts and noticed Chicago also has the #19 pick in the 1st round and FOUR 2nd rounders this draft and then two 1st and two 2nd rounders the next 2 drafts…What if they pooled some of those picks together (not their own 1st rounders as they’ll likely be very high picks) and moved back into the top 5 of this draft and grabbed Matvie Mitchkov? No worries about Mitchkov still playing 3 more years in the KHL as Chicago is rebuilding anyways…
He and Bedard could be incredible in 4 years…it’s totally a friggin Blackhawk thing that could happen…probably will…
It’s looking more and more like the Wild will have guys like Honzek and Stenberg to pick from at #21…good prospects, but a level or two below the top 10 as usual…
anybody see the Pierre-Luc DuBios rumors that the Wild and Rangers are interested in possiblty trading for him? He’s looking for an 8 year extension in the $9aav range…
Now of course the $ question pops up…How in the hell could the Wild afford him at $9aav? Zuccarello and Foligno would be enough for this season and then the big cap jump the next year should be enough to get us through the cap hell years…
Winnipeg would also likely require Rossi and most importantly Wallstedt as part of the deal, especially with Hellebuyck not wanting to re-sign with them.
Would you be willing to give up Rossi & Wallstedt to FINALLY get a legit 1C locked up for 8 years and soon to be entering his prime? I know PLD has had issues when he was in Columbus, but Torts makes pretty much everyone go nuts. He seems to have been a good teammate in Winnipeg the past few years…
So a possible trade could look like:
Wild get – Pierre Luc Dubios (with an agreement to sign 8 year deal) and maybe a few mid-round draft picks to give some value back for Foligno and Zuccy…
Jets gets – Rossi, Wallstedt, Foligno and Zuccarello
In terms of Zuccy leaving Kirill, we could re-sign him as a UFA the following season…This would also likely mean the Wild would sign Gustaffsson long term…
Yes, I realize this is a 1% chance of happening trade with a hated division rival, but there’s nothing else happening so what say you?
Meh on PLD…
Meh on PLD…
I somewhat agree, but most of my PLD thinking is tainted by his time in Columbus and the pissy-boy attitude he showed… His Jets time has been alot better imo and he’s been a beast in the playoffs…
As we’ve always said, legit 1C’s (25 years old or under) rarely if ever become available…PLD wants out of the Jets, so he’ll get traded to somebody…with the cap’s expected HUGE jump the next 2-3 years, getting a 1C locked in for 8 years at $9 aav could turn into a steal…
Otherwise you’re likely looking at UFA Center’s who are 30+ years old (Ryan O’Reilly/Mark Scheifele are examples) and demanding 8 year deals. Yes, you don’t give up assets to sign them, but you dread the cap anchor they become the back half of that contract…
He is not a 9 million dollar a year center for 1. This is also the second team he has forced a trade with.
This year was the first year he broke 60points with 63points. Which is virtually what Ek had. Would you be happy paying Ek 9 million if he didn’t play defense either?
He and his other teammates got ripped for their playoff performance.
He is not a 9 million dollar a year center for 1. This is also the second team he has forced a trade with.
This year was the first year he broke 60points with 63points. Which is virtually what Ek had. Would you be happy paying Ek 9 million if he didn’t play defense either?
He’s had the following point totals in the 6 seasons he’s been in the NHL- 48, 61, 49, 21 (in 46 games), 60 and 63…
The expectation is he’ll continue to improve offensively as he gets the 1C role and plays with Kaprizov (he was stuck behind Scheifele the last 2 years)
Ek’s ceiling is 2C imo and Yes, his contract was a great one signed by GMBG (ANY team in the NHL would kill for that contract and its the main reason why Ek’s name is foolishly included in other trade rumors right now)
GMBG gambled a bit by signing Ek who’s career high was 30 points to an 8 year deal at $5.25 during flat cap years…Signing a 1C capable PLD at $4.75 more aav with the expected cap jump is basically in line with Ek’s deal…
In terms of him wanting off teams, well, Columbus with Torts was a nightmare, he then had no influence on getting traded to Winnipeg…He’s now a year away from UFA status so him wanting to go where he wants to go is nothing new… I agree its a negative about him though and would need to be looked at closely by teams trading for him..
Do you really think PLD fits in with these centers? I do not.
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Pictures not working well. Again I don’t think PLD is even close to this mix. Frankly don’t think he is a top 25 center.
1
Nathan MacKinnon
COL
C $12,600,000
2
Connor McDavid
EDM
C $12,500,000
3
Auston Matthews
TOR
C $11,640,250
4
John Tavares
TOR
C $11,000,000
5
Jack Eichel
VGK
C $10,000,000
Aleksander Barkov
FLA
C $10,000,000
Anze Kopitar
LAK
C $10,000,000
8
Tyler Seguin
DAL
C $9,850,000
9
Brayden Point
TBL
C $9,500,000
10
Nicklas Backstrom
WAS
C $9,200,000
11
Mathew Barzal
NYI
C $9,150,000
12
Sidney Crosby
PIT
C $8,700,000
Dylan Larkin
DET
C $8,700,000
14
Leon Draisaitl
EDM
C $8,500,000
Filip Forsberg
NSH
C $8,500,000
Bo Horvat
NYI
C $8,500,000
Steven Stamkos
TBL
C $8,500,000
Mika Zibanejad
NYR
C $8,500,000
I would like to see the Knights win tonight and claim the Stanley Cup on home ice. Not a big fan of the visiting team winning on the road to a crowd of boos. You’d have a hard time picking a better location to celebrate than Las Vegas.
What would those contracts look like if they were 25 years old in today’s market though? You sign PLD with the expectation that he improves as he gets older and plays with better talent…just like paying Boldy $7aav
There’s also only 4 guys on that entire list that were traded to their current team, 1 was a UFA (Tavares) and the rest were drafted…Just proves the point that if you want a 1C, you need to either draft them high in the 1st round get really lucky in later rounds…sofar the Wild are 0-22 Drafts? doing so with only Koivu & Ek turning into legit 2Cs…
Do you really think PLD fits in with these centers? I do not.
Show me an available 1C option that’s not over 30 years old…Are you going to give the 30+ year old guys an 8 year deal over $8aav?
Well Larkin and Horvat were 27 this past year and are much better players than PLD and signed for less than 9.
Barzal is probably the closest comp and I would take Barzal at 9 all day over PLD.
Robert Thomas is younger and better than PLD and is making 8 and change.
That and I am not trading away your number one prospect that happens to be a goalie.
For 9 million plus you better be an elite center and not just a good center.
He is also wanting to be on his third team before he is 25. Both of those teams are not exactly loaded down the middle.
I think that says a lot about him as a true elite 1C.
I am all for going after a 1C and giving up whatever it takes. PLD is not that guy.
Well Larkin and Horvat were 27 this past year and are much better players than PLD and signed for less than 9.
Barzal is probably the closest comp and I would take Barzal at 9 all day over PLD.
Robert Thomas is younger and better than PLD and is making 8 and change.
That and I am not trading away your number one prospect that happens to be a goalie.
For 9 million plus you better be an elite center and not just a good center.I am all for going after a 1C and giving up whatever it takes. PLD is not that guy.
i’ll give you Horvat, he was a rare available 1C, but he’s also 3 years older, Larkin wasn’t going to ever leave his hometown Detroit. I agree Thomas is potentially better then PLD (I think Barzal is an elite skater, but he’s overrated imo and he’s signed at 8x$9.125 aav) but they were drafted by their teams and were never going to be avalaible to trade for…and in 3 years when the cap is up $10+ million, you’re going to see 2C’s signing $8aav deals…
Because he is available should not make him the 12th highest paid center.
As I said the fact that he is going to a third team before he is 25 should tell you he is not an elite 1C guy.
I think they need to move mountains and over pay for a 1C if they have to. I just don’t think PLD is the guy I want to do it for.
A guy who has been benched in the past called out by his current coach during and after the playoffs. Is not the guy I really want to go all in on.
Because he is available should not make him the 12th highest paid center.
As I said the fact that he is going to a third team before he is 25 should tell you he is not an elite 1C guy.
even at $9aav, he’ll likely drop out of the top 20-25 in a few years when most of the existing 1C’s sign new deals…and moving out of Columbus was just a personality/needs a new team move oh and it’s Columbus, he was traded for BOTH Laine & Roslovic so he obviously valued…him wanting out of Winnipeg is no different than alot of 1-2 year remaining RFA’s (Fiala/Thakuck), they now seem to force their way out if they don’t want to stay with their team. Now the big rumor is that PLD wants to go to hometown Montreal, but they have 1C Suzuki signed for 8 years and will likely be drafting another potential 1C prospect at #5 (Will Smith) in the draft so there’s really no room for PLD there…
There’s always going to be a wart on ANY player who’s made available, otherwise they likely wouldn’t ever become available unless they were a UFA…
just looking at established 1C’s or 2C’s who likely have more ceiling but are cornered into the 2nd line because of who’s ahead of them (I’d put PLD in that group) who’s potentially available in the coming years? We could hand a Brinks truck to Draisaitl in 2 years?
Isn’t that likely why he is available. He is an RFA that said he is not resigning. Same scenario as Tkachuck who doesn’t have to many warts in my book.
Hell he just signed for 9.5 and PLD wants 9. Doh Kay. Yes I know Tkachuck plays wing and not center.
Let’s not forget why he was traded to the Jets mid season. Which is rare in the first place. Laine and his agent were constantly complaining about playing time in Winnipeg and wanted out in the worst way. Hard to say that PLD made the jets better.
Now the jets will be without both players. Ouch…
We could go back and fourth all day I’m sure. I just don’t like the fit of PLD even though the Wild needs help down the middle in the worst way.
The chances of it happening I think are very small.
I agree its a very small chance (Division rivals and all) but I guess he’s provided a list of 5 teams he’d sign a long term deal with and the Wild was one of them. We always talk about young centers never becoming available, well here’s one…$9aav has been what’s reported to be his ask, perhaps he eventualy signs for less…He’d step right into the #1 center spot playing with Kaprizov, not sure many other teams who need him can offer that advantage….
and pretty much EVERY NHL player hates Mathew Tkachuck (there have even been player interviews during this playoff run when current teammates admitted they weren’t a fan of his before he joined the Panthers) maybe he’s matured a bit over the past few years? maybe the same thing will happen to PLD? I mentioned I also have concerns about his attitude and history…GMBG wouldn’t be interested if he was a percieved locker room problem…
Now the jets will be without both players. Ouch…
Hellebuyck wants out, DuBois wants out, Scheifele will be 31 next year and needs a new deal, Wheeler will be 37 in 2 months and will likely retire after next season and they have mostly UFA’s with just a 1-2 years left on their deals, they will look completely different in a few years and rebuilding….You can understand why guys want out from the Jets and not part of a rebuild…
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