2022/2023 NHL/Wild Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

CaptainMusky wrote:

Well I would agree he is the best player in the world, but the award is most valuable to your team. Its hard to say hes more deserving that Kaprizov when Kaprizov literally does it all by himself. He has no Robin like Draisatl.

I agree with this, but it’s kinda how ALL MVP trophies are handed out in every sport… best player typically gets it…and if a close race, but 1 players is from a major market (like Toronto) they typically get chosen over the others…I would personally choose Kaprizov over McDavid THIS season, even with McDavid’s insane point total (for modern day hockey) since Kaprizov has NOBODY to take the heat off of him…the sad part is Kaprizov will probably finish like 8th…

It will probably come down to McDavid, Marner or Nylander, Pastrnak, Hughes, Ullmark

Guys… Please stop. Saying a guy on your team should win the Hart over McDavid this year is as homer as it gets. I don’t care what player or what team, that’s full blown homer bias.

It’s not coming down to anyone, he’s winning it unanimous. Again.

tswoboda wrote:

Guys… Please stop. Saying a guy on your team should win the Hart over McDavid this year is as homer as it gets. I don’t care what player or what team, that’s full blown homer bias.

? – if you take McDavid and Kaprizov off their teams THIS SEASON (no Fiala Robin) the Oilers are still in the hunt at least for a Wild Card playoff spot, meanwhile the Wild are battling Chicago and Columbus for Bedard…if you can’t acknowledge that, then you need to stop drinking the McJesus Juice…Most season’s i’d say McDavid is winning it or in the top 3, but Kirill has nobody but an aging 36 year old pass first winger to play with and a revolving door of AHLers and promoted 3rd/4th line grinders on career worst years on the 2nd line taking ZERO pressure off…No denying McDavid’s brilliance, but he has help…

Put them on each other’s teams and the Wild are 1st in the Central and Oilers are missing the playoffs.

Oilers are dead in the water without McDavid – they are a baaaaad team with a generational player. He does everything for that team, you just don’t watch them while you see Kaprizov every game so it’s engrained in your head… that’s the definition of bias. McDavid has 24 more points than #2 and 43 more than #3 on the Oilers. Kaprizov has 14 more points than #2 and 24 more than #3.

Gotta get over the verbatim wording of the Hart, it doesn’t get awarded that way and never has. If it did then it would never go to a player with a single good teammate. I honestly think they leave that there just for the media so all the homer fans can be like oh actually the best player on my team is more important.

Linus Ullmark is another tough case to consider…. is his absolutely brilliant season because he’s been playing lights out or because he has help from one of the most complete regular season teams ever playing in front of him?

No knock on KK but he is probabaly 4-5 on the list for the Hart.
McJesus
Pasta
Tage
Are all ahead of KK. Sorry they just are. If Colorado keeps climbing like they have been Mac gets into the conversation as well.

Edmonton would not be a playoff team without CM. Hell they are wild card team now.
Wild would not be either, but it’s a silly way to look at it as well.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Linus Ullmark is another tough case to consider…

You do not, in fact, need to consider Linus Ullmark for the Hart. What is going on here today? Does anyone watch any NHL games outside of the Wild?

Does anyone truly believe McDavid isn’t winning the Hart unanimous this year?? Are ya’ll just arguing to argue?

Oh it’s unanimous.

tswoboda wrote:

Put them on each other’s teams and the Wild are 1st in the Central and Oilers are missing the playoffs.

This might be a contender for proposterious statement of the year award…First off there’s Wing vs Center, but you’re telling me Kaprizov playing with Draisiatl and Hyman wouldn’t be similar to McDavid playing with them? Draisaitl and Hyman are littorally the prototype wingers you would want if building the perfect hockey line. Leon is elite at everything with size and Hyman is a forechecking machine with a nose around the net and an unstoppable motor to get them the puck…Then you add an elite passer in RNH and some Defenseman with offensive tools (Bouchard or Nurse) and you have one of the best powerplays year after year…

Kirill would absolutely be top 3 scoring in the league every year like McDavid is…They would also have playoff issues as they are mostly a 5 player team and the playoffs lock eveything down and depth typically wins series…

tswoboda wrote:

Does anyone truly believe McDavid isn’t winning the Hart unanimous this year?? Are ya’ll just arguing to argue?

I already said he will win it, because it always goes to the best player. I was arguing my points of why I wouldn’t vote for him to win…

tswoboda wrote:

Does anyone watch any NHL games outside of the Wild?

I watch a ton of hockey and there is no doubt McDavid is the best player Im just saying based on the definition of the award “most valuable to their team” (regardless of whether they actually award it that way or not) its hard to argue the McDavid is more valuable than Kaprizov. There is NO WAY the Oilers would be last place if swapping teams. That is about the most absurd take Ive ever heard and theres been some doozies.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Put them on each other’s teams and the Wild are 1st in the Central and Oilers are missing the playoffs.

This might be a contender for proposterious statement of the year award…
Ha beat me to it.

A. he didn’t say last place he thinks out of the playoffs. Hell they are on the bubble now.

I love KK and there are not many guys I would take in current NHL right now over him but he is 15th in points he has 0 chance of winning the Hart.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Put them on each other’s teams and the Wild are 1st in the Central and Oilers are missing the playoffs.

This might be a contender for proposterious statement of the year award…
Ha beat me to it.

I’ll take the nomination
But also… Are you saying that if you swap McDavid and Kaprizov it would have no effect? Because Oilers are currently tied for the last wild card spot and Wild are a couple points out of 1st. Sooo……

Sorry just having a rough morning. Not easy coming to terms with the fact other posters here are even more bias than I realized

There is not one person outside of Minnesota who is saying Kaprizov even maybe kinda sorta is in the Hart conversation with McDavid this year. Not one. It’s home team bias. Because we love Kaprizov. But c’mon!!!

tswoboda wrote:

You do not, in fact, need to consider Linus Ullmark for the Hart.

I ranked him last of my 5 I thought could have an argument, but the exact same arguments you’re using for McDavid (his dominating stats) can be used for why Ullmark is so important…but the who they play with factor should be considered as well…

and again i’m just focusing on THIS SEASON, look what Kirill is working with…Sam F’ing Steel was his center for several months for god’s sake….

tswoboda wrote:

There is not one person outside of Minnesota who is saying Kaprizov even maybe kinda sorta is in the Hart conversation with McDavid this year. Not one.

You’re right there isnt one person thinking that because there were 2 that voted for him to win the Hart last year.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
There is not one person outside of Minnesota who is saying Kaprizov even maybe kinda sorta is in the Hart conversation with McDavid this year. Not one.

You’re right there isnt one person thinking that because there were 2 that voted for him to win the Hart last year.

I’ve taken the time to write this year in every single one of my posts………….

I’ll reiterate again, I don’t think Kirill is going to win it (I beleive I said he’ll likely finish 8th) I just said I personally think this season Kirill is more valueable to his team than McDavid (while still acknowledging Connor’s insane point total) but the big market teams will get all of the press like they always do and they also typically have the most voters…and thanks to ESPN + I watch just about every Oilers game that’s viewable because McDavid is the best hockey player in the world and I’m a huge fan…it’s also fun to watch probably the 3rd or 4th best player in the world play next to him all game…

tswoboda wrote:

I’ve taken the time to write this year in every single one of my posts………….

So what, I merely pointed that out because he will likely get votes again THIS year.

You’re right there isnt one person thinking that because there were 2 that voted for him to win the Hart last year.

He was 4th in scoring on a historic point total team for the franchise.

Let’s not blur last year with this year when talking MVP.

CaptainMusky wrote:

So what, I merely pointed that out because he will likely get votes again THIS year.

You think Kirill is getting 1st place votes this year? No chance

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I’ll reiterate again, I don’t think Kirill is going to win it (I beleive I said he’ll likely finish 8th) I just said I personally think this season Kirill is more valueable to his team than McDavid (while still acknowledging Connor’s insane point total) but the big market teams will get all of the press like they always do and they also typically have the most voters…and thanks to ESPN + I watch just about every Oilers game that’s viewable because McDavid is the best hockey player in the world and I’m a huge fan…it’s also fun to watch probably the 3rd or 4th best player in the world play next to him all game…

Fair enough. I get there’s still going to be media conversations about the Hart this year because they need to vote for 5 people and whatever so they still get to talk about it. But it’s a race for 2nd… and it should be a race for 2nd. **this year** lol

We probably disagree on the impact of Draisaitl and McDavid on each other, and that’s fine. FWIW Draisaitl has been really really bad at 5v5 without McDavid this year.

This should get us to 200 by the end of the day…

Page 145?
Damn it.

tswoboda wrote:

You think Kirill is getting 1st place votes this year? No chance

I bet he gets one. When you account for about 40% of your teams goals thats pretty rare air. He wont finish in the top 5 for sure no doubt about that.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

This should get us to 200 by the end of the day…

Priceless!

tswoboda wrote:

Put them on each other’s teams

Can’t this be simulated in today’s modern NHL video games? Serious question…and I have no idea anymore, my video game days ended with Playstation 1….

Was the Gretzky thing sarcastic? Because that is how I’m viewing what you guys are saying about McDavid right now… ***I am not comparing Gretzky and McDavid – that would get us straight to 250

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Can’t this be simulated in today’s modern NHL video games? Serious question…and I have no idea anymore, my video game days ended with Playstation 1….

No idea on the video games. Could be done by the analytics models for sure and that’s probably a lot more accurate than the video games. Either one is pretty pointless but I would put as much money as you’re willing to lose that my take would be correct

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
You think Kirill is getting 1st place votes this year? No chance

I bet he gets one. When you account for about 40% of your teams goals thats pretty rare air. He wont finish in the top 5 for sure no doubt about that.

I think he’ll get some top 3 consideration IF the Wild finish as the top seed in the West and Kirill picks up the pace and gets into the top 3 league scoring (to basically force outside markets to pay attention to him) I know the TNT boys have mentioned MVP “consideration” for him when they’ve aired the Wild games…it helps that Kirill typically performs well on Nationally televised games…

McJesus is on pace for the highest point total since frickin Mario in 95-96.

That’s along time ago gents.

Oh he also won the Hart with Robin who was second in points. Just sayin.