2022/2023 NHL/Wild Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

tswoboda wrote:

Bonkers how KHL teams will just straight up not play these teenagers and that can’t help their development. But also looks how well it worked for Kaprizov and now for Khusnutdinov. He is getting experience the Wild could never offer him right now, same for Kaprizov when he was still there. Isn’t the new model that development happens in practice, not games?

Most consider the KHL the 3rd best league in the world (NHL/AHL/KHL/SEL) so from a development standpoint, it’s not bad, the organization just has 0 input or awareness of what’s happening with the player for years. The big worry is the length of the 2nd extension they sign…Kaprizov signed both a 2 and then a 3 year extension, Khusnidinov signed only a 2 year extension…Matvei Mitchkov signed a 6 year deal…Yes we love that Kaprizov was as polished as he was when he arrived, but he was pretty damn polished before he signed the 3 year KHL extension and it would have been nice to have him earlier…

I think the recent & likely future instability of Russia adds more urgency now to get them to North America asap…has anyone heard from the Philly goalie prospect sent to the Siberia radio tower base as punishment? That kind of stuff gets scary, there’s zero rules or human rights over there….

I just look at a team like the Rangers and marvel at how their GM and front office does it.

So you already have Zibanejad, Panarin, and Keieder. All players I really admire. Filling in the lines they have some not-too-shabby players like Fox and Chytil, etc.

Then this season they go out and get Tarasenko AND I wouldn’t bet against them STILL getting Kane.

Just on the basis of deal making they seem pretty impressive. We’ll see if Kane actually lands there but even after the Tarasenko deal there are still plenty of national sources saying it could happen.

They had/have a good prospect pool to pull from, lots of young ELC roster players and Teransenko and potentially others are just rentals…They are entering their cup window and taking shots…They also have the NY market factor to get UFA’s and make other $ on with lucrative endorsements…

Yeah the Rangers also dumped Sammy Blais in the Tarasenko deal… After acquiring Blais by trading Buchnevich last last summer. Buchnevich is a younger/better/cheaper player than Tarasenko at this point in their careers. Sammy Blais never scored a goal for the Rangers. This Rangers team was built by the previous front office and Drury has done nothing but reap the benefits.

I’d love to see the Wild pull off another Jake Middleton type trade. That was a doozy last year. Russo is fanning the Boeser trade rumors today.

There’s some smoke today regarding Boeser to the Wild per Joe Smith and Russo…They mention Ben Hankison has been workng with GMBG trying to find ways to make it work $ wise…gotta think it would need to include Greenway and possibly others (Addison?) and Vancouver eating some of the caphit? He’s unlikely to go to the Wild due to the $, but he’s going to get traded somewhere…

Basically 5 games left before deadline.
2 against Columbus
Toronto
Islanders
Canucks

Literally have a back to back with Calgary right after deadline that could determine which one of those two get in.
So makeing a deadline move is either going to help you get in or not. Won’t know if they are going to make it until after deadline.

Ripjiggen wrote:

Basically 5 games left before deadline.
2 against Columbus
Toronto
Islanders
Canucks

Literally have a back to back with Calgary right after deadline that could determine which one of those two get in.
So makeing a deadline move is either going to help you get in or not. Won’t know if they are going to make it until after deadline.

I just meant if they go on a 5 game losing streak or an important player gets hurt beforehand it might change their decision making…of course you’d hate to give up a 2nd rounder for 15 games with Kane…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

They had/have a good prospect pool to pull from, lots of young ELC roster players and Teransenko and potentially others are just rentals…

Yes, but as I said, I admire the deal-making and the guts that it takes to do it because yes they gave up players as well. It would be interesting to see how GMBG would do in “win now” mode, but in the past, well, we haven’t exactly brought in players like Tarasenko and Kane…

Now I know there are a lot of Martin Hanzel fans out there who will take offense at this perceived slight…

Listening to Hankinson on Russo’s podcast and it’s crazy how much he name drops players under contract. Is that not tampering if an agent does it?

Billy G wants Boeser but needs to move Greenway and Vancouver to retain a lot. Name dropped Dumba and Addison.
Billy G wanted McDonaugh but would have needed to move a D he really didn’t want to. Also said McDonagh should have been right handed lol just gives it away.

The kind of stuff we usually hear from reporters and insiders and here is the players’ agent just straight up confirming

JoeMX1825 wrote:

February 22, 2023 at 12:55 pm#2183732
There’s some smoke today regarding Boeser to the Wild per Joe Smith and Russo…They mention Ben Hankison has been workng with GMBG trying to find ways to make it work $ wise…gotta think it would need to include Greenway and possibly others (Addison?) and Vancouver eating some of the caphit?

At this point, I’d just like to see the Wild do something because we’re just getting what we’ve always got out of players like Greenway. Does anyone see Greenway ever being any better than he is right now on a consistent basis?

No move is going to make the Wild into anything other than a bubble team, to me it would just make them a more interesting bubble team because I’m tired of watching Greenway.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

we haven’t exactly brought in players like Tarasenko and Kane…

Flower was half a season removed from winning the Vezina. When’s the last time Tarasenko or Kane was in consideration for any league award?

tswoboda wrote:

Listening to Hankinson on Russo’s podcast and it’s crazy how much he name drops players under contract. Is that not tampering if an agent does it?

Billy G wants Boeser but needs to move Greenway and Vancouver to retain a lot. Name dropped Dumba and Addison.
Billy G wanted McDonaugh but would have needed to move a D he really didn’t want to. Also said McDonagh should have been right handed lol just gives it away.

The kind of stuff we usually hear from reporters and insiders and here is the players agent just straight up confirming

Not sure if agent’s are included in tampering rules like GM’s or team officials are?

I’ve discussed in other posts why I think Boeser could work here (of course he could also fail) but it boils down to the 2nd line scoring issue is going to be here another 2 years until they have the capspace/ready prospects to throw at the problem. GMBG could take a chance on a 25 year old RH shooter who could use a change of scenery and coming home is likely the best spot for him…it’s just a 2 year risk with more upside than downside imo…we can find league minimum players to fill open roster spots (guys like Luke Schenn who were on a 2 year $800k deal…)

Lastly the money/cap issue with Boeser is just for next season, the caps expected rise in 2024/2025 is more than enough to cover the final year gap with his deal…

Yes, but as I said, I admire the deal-making and the guts that it takes to do it because yes they gave up players as well. It would be interesting to see how GMBG would do in “win now” mode, but in the past, well, we haven’t exactly brought in players like Tarasenko and Kane…

Now I know there are a lot of Martin Hanzel fans out there who will take offense at this perceived slight…

Hanzel I believe was percieved as the best available at the time.
Each deadline is different but with the flat cap I think there are was some bigger names available this year than in most. Also a bunch of teams trying to suck for Bedard.

It’s gonna take 50% (or very close) salary retained to get Boeser. I imagine the price tag has to be high for 2 full seasons of $3m+ retainage. That’s a lot different than retaining on a pending UFA. I wouldn’t complain about Boeser at 50% but just curious what the price tag would be. I don’t think Greenway+Addison is enough and moving Addison alone is an L imo.

tswoboda wrote:

Flower was half a season removed from winning the Vezina. When’s the last time Tarasenko or Kane was in consideration for any league award?

Okay, so changing gears from forwards to goaltenders without a clutch… Yes, Flower was half a season from the Vezina. And he gave up 15 goals in 5 playoff games.

tswoboda wrote:

It’s gonna take 50% (or very close) salary retained to get Boeser. I imagine the price tag has to be high for 2 full seasons of $3m+ retainage. That’s a lot different than retaining on a pending UFA. I wouldn’t complain about Boeser at 50% but just curious what the price tag would be. I don’t think Greenway+Addison is enough and moving Addison alone is an L imo.

If Vancouver would take Greenway, then it’s a $3.66 aav cap difference. IF they know they aren’t going to re-sign Addison, they could use his allocated aav (whatever that would be? $2 or $3 aav?) to get the number closer. Then it’s about making a few moves that shed the $ difference or maybe Goligoski or Flower retires and their replacements are cheaper…

Then the following year the cap increase will be $3-$4 million which would likely cover the Greenway/Boeser difference excluding any other moves…

yes, any retention helps, but is it absolutelty required? I know the RFA contract needs are super tight though…it will be upto what GMBG can get Gus and Freddy signed for…

They also could move on from Foligno…Let’s be honest, does he really have a spot on this team 2 years down the road? Moving him for picks or prospects would easily solve the $ problem…

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Flower was half a season removed from winning the Vezina. When’s the last time Tarasenko or Kane was in consideration for any league award?

Okay, so changing gears from forwards to goaltenders without a clutch… Yes, Flower was half a season from the Vezina. And he gave up 15 goals in 5 playoff games.

Flower would be a ways down the list on who I’d put blame on for the playoff loss last year…it was a Blues Powerplay shooting gallery on him…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Then the following year the cap increase will be $3-$4 million which would likely cover the Greenway/Boeser difference excluding any other moves…

yes, any retention helps, but is it absolutelty required? I know the RFA contract needs are super tight though…it will be upto what GMBG can get Gus and Freddy signed for…

They also could move on from Foligno…Let’s be honest, does he really have a spot on this team 2 years down the road? Moving him for picks or prospects would easily solve the $ problem…

Well now we’re getting back to where we started on a Boeser trade. They *could* trade everyone and make it work but that’s not going to happen.

Imagine being Old Man Jim and telling the owner you’re retaining some Brock Boeser salary after signing him 6 months ago

I was just looking for ways to do it without Vancouver retaining salary, no way around moving some existing players….

Knowing the pickle they are in, do you think Foligno at $3.1 next year is worth it? Especially when we can see what this team looks like when they don’t have balanced scoring (which is what most of his salary would be used towards)

Do you want a 32 year old Foligno extended after next year?

We have more than enough leaders ready to take the A’s he and Dumba have…(Kaprizov, Ek & Brodin)

I dont think I would want to extend Foligno. He seems like the type of player that is going to fall off fast. Love the guy, but after next year we move on unless its half what his current deal is.

I think Foligno is hurt and his play has suffered for it this year. Definitely not ready to give him away for cap space – I think that’s a huge mistake.

I also think having 22 year old Calen Addison at $2m to $3m is way better value than having Brock Boeser at anything over $3.5m. I’m not a big Boeser fan but like I said when the rumors started – if they can get him at 50% and without giving much up then I can see it. They definitely need a scorer – I just don’t love his game and think Wild fans are bias towards him because he’s from Minnesota.

If only you could trade buyout cap hits. The Yotes would be all over that Suter/Parise money!

All that sounds wonderful, but you also have to have guys in the pipeline to fill this roles. Get rid of this guy and that guy. After 2 games for Beckman and 6 for Sami everyone is ready to throw them in for a full season.

Flower isn’t going anywhere so we can kill that thought. Why would he waive to go to some random team that is not a contender.

I am not a Brock fan but going from depth as a strength to two lines would be change.

What’s up with all the trade speculation being people from Minny. Is that they only way we can attract others is say come back home?

I’m not big on Boesser and don’t think he will turn into this great center just with a change of scenery. That being said, he’s still probably better than 3 of our 4 centers and if all it takes is Greenway and Addison and we get them to retain a good chunk of salary, I’m in. Not sure Vancouver would be though.

As for Foligno, I agree that he’s most likely playing pretty banged up. He’s had multiple injuries at different points this season. I wouldn’t expect him to get over 20 goals again, but 10-15 shouldn’t be too much to ask from him when healthy.

Brock’s not a center. And wouldn’t be here either.

Seeing Beckman and Walker is exactly why I’m talking about Boeser and Patrick Kane right now. They’re not that guy.

Boeser is a wing – he’d fill that Beckman/Steel/Walker/revolving door across from Boldy. That’s why I’m open to him, he fits. Agree Vancouver doesn’t want that trade retaining 50%. And I think MN shouldn’t want it if they don’t retain 50%. That’s probably why the trade hasn’t happened, considering the agent is on record saying the Wild really want him lol that’s still crazy to me.

Well that shows you how much I know, not sure why I thought he was……If he’s not a center I don’t see the point I guess. I’m off the Boesser move completely then. If you’re going to move assets for anything it should be that. I don’t know.

Isnt Boeser a wing?

tswoboda wrote:

Seeing Beckman and Walker is exactly why I’m talking about Boeser and Patrick Kane right now. They’re not that guy.

Boeser is a wing – he’d fill that Beckman/Steel/Walker/revolving door across from Boldy. That’s why I’m open to him, he fits. Agree Vancouver doesn’t want that trade retaining 50%. And I think MN shouldn’t want it if they don’t retain 50%. That’s probably why the trade hasn’t happened, considering the agent is on record saying the Wild really want him lol that’s still crazy to me.

I hear you was more referring to the get rid of greenway Foligno Addy Freddy etc etc. just fill the roster with league min guys…
I honestly don’t think they have a chance at Kane considering he can choose where he wants to go, but I would love to see it.

CaptainMusky wrote:

Isnt Boeser a wing?

Yes he’s a wing always has been.