2022/2023 NHL/Wild Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • tswoboda
    Posts: 8419
    #2181235

    I don’t see the Dubnyk comparison but I do agree they should be cautious on a Gus contract. There’s lots of recent examples of goalies coming out of nowhere and having a great rookie-ish year, only to totally flop after that.

    Doesn’t take anything away from the great season he’s having so hope they ride him while he’s hot.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11503
    #2181250

    Flower isn’t retiring. Gus is an RFA.
    They either sign him to 2- 3ish year deal or go arbitration for a year. He doesn’t have a big enough body of work to sign long term. Doobs was in the league for 7 years or so when they signed him.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5779
    #2181258

    Can Fleury be traded? Or only if he agrees? A 2-3 year deal with Gus would be fine with me. Give us a chance for Wally to come up and figure out who the #1 is.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5779
    #2181265

    Flower has NTC.

    Thought maybe so but maybe he can be sweet talked

    fishinfreaks
    Rogers, MN
    Posts: 1154
    #2181272

    Gustafsson is younger than Dubnyk was. Different styles and personalities I don’t see much similar.

    All this, plus Fil has a glove, as opposed to Skillet Mitt (Dubnyk), who would have been better off with two blockers.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11503
    #2181283

    He’s got one year left. They are not trading him. Maybe at the deadline next season , but they are not trading him in the off season. Wallstedt and Gus are going to set career highs for games played. I don’t think they are ready for that to be there regular tandem quite yet.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2181307

    I see more of Backstrom in Gus. When he’s on he’s barely moving and always in the right position. Calm demeanor. Not many rebounds. He’s basically saved this team. I was extremely skeptical when they signed him but after the first month of the season he has been great.

    Dubnyk had a lot more NHL playing time the Gus did if I remember right. Gus was pretty unproven.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8419
    #2181363

    Steel to the press-box, Reavo in

    Gus getting back to back starts

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181370

    Steel to the press-box, Reavo in

    Gus getting back to back starts

    makes sense…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11571
    #2181374

    Was at the game against the Devils on Saturday. It is just so frustrating, after Dumba’s turnover, I had just enough time to say, “That’ll end up in out net.” before…it ended up in our net.

    And then Hartman. Negates a power play by getting an instigator penalty. His ability to make completely brain-dead mistakes is just astonishing.

    The Wild need to turn over a whole list of players and that isn’t going to happen soon because of salary cap hell and contracts. Dumba is gone after this season, so OK good start.

    Greenway has been given enough time. He’s Charlie Coyle 2.0, that mythical big body that all MN fans say they want because we’re always “too small”. The problem is like Coyle, he never gets on the horse to form anything that even resembles consistent play that measures up to what the potential was supposed to be. He has a partial NTC that kicks in the last year of his deal, so now’s the time to cut losses on him.

    Hartman. Ug. Not sure what his contract is. Is there any hope of getting rid of him? I can’t see him be salvageable.

    Addison is really impressive to me, his mobility and ability to change angles to get shots on net with very little space is just tremendous.

    Gus is just terrific in the net and when he’s in the net, the Wild are basically winning because of him. With our anemic offensive production right now, we have to have lockdown goaltending or we’re not going to win at all. Just look at the shootout and Gus stonewalls both NJ attempts for the W.

    I just had a feeling that the Wild had one too many years on Fleury’s contract and then a NTC on top of that. If Gus continues with his form, it would be a heck of a 1-2 punch to have him and Wallstedt as a duo. Both relatively young players, that duo could provide real stability in goal if the Wild can make it work.

    Still fun watching the Wild, I just have to remind myself this isn’t a playoff team and we’re basically now just burning time to get out of buyout jail and hopefully be in a position to have the fastest recovery possible after the buyout years. IMO, the Wild have the best management brain trust we’ve ever had in terms of a GM in GMBG and Brackett in scouting, now what we need is to move up R1 by not pretending that backing into the playoffs gets us anything.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181376

    Which part?

    Steel to the press box, Reaves in to match the physicality guys like Gudas/Bennet want to bring on our skills guys like Kaprizov/Zuccy…for the Reaves haters, yes he hasn’t brought much in terms of offense for a 4th liner, but he’s also not giving up goals either, can’t say that for the majority of the team…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22460
    #2181377

    Its kind of Wild that Steel has gone from 1st line, to 2nd line to 4th line to benched in just a week. I can say its deserved, but you really dont see that happen often.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181378

    Was at the game against the Devils on Saturday. It is just so frustrating, after Dumba’s turnover, I had just enough time to say, “That’ll end up in out net.” before…it ended up in our net.

    And then Hartman. Negates a power play by getting an instigator penalty. His ability to make completely brain-dead mistakes is just astonishing.

    The Wild need to turn over a whole list of players and that isn’t going to happen soon because of salary cap hell and contracts. Dumba is gone after this season, so OK good start.

    Greenway has been given enough time. He’s Charlie Coyle 2.0, that mythical big body that all MN fans say they want because we’re always “too small”. The problem is like Coyle, he never gets on the horse to form anything that even resembles consistent play that measures up to what the potential was supposed to be. He has a partial NTC that kicks in the last year of his deal, so now’s the time to cut losses on him.

    Hartman. Ug. Not sure what his contract is. Is there any hope of getting rid of him? I can’t see him be salvageable.

    Addison is really impressive to me, his mobility and ability to change angles to get shots on net with very little space is just tremendous.

    Gus is just terrific in the net and when he’s in the net, the Wild are basically winning because of him. With our anemic offensive production right now, we have to have lockdown goaltending or we’re not going to win at all. Just look at the shootout and Gus stonewalls both NJ attempts for the W.

    I just had a feeling that the Wild had one too many years on Fleury’s contract and then a NTC on top of that. If Gus continues with his form, it would be a heck of a 1-2 punch to have him and Wallstedt as a duo. Both relatively young players, that duo could provide real stability in goal if the Wild can make it work.

    Still fun watching the Wild, I just have to remind myself this isn’t a playoff team and we’re basically now just burning time to get out of buyout jail and hopefully be in a position to have the fastest recovery possible after the buyout years. IMO, the Wild have the best management brain trust we’ve ever had in terms of a GM in GMBG and Brackett in scouting, now what we need is to move up R1 by not pretending that backing into the playoffs gets us anything.

    Greenway will be gone either at the deadline or before/at the draft, we need his capspace just to fill out our team for next season

    Hartman is on a team friendly $1.7 deal for 1 more year…of course his deal looked liek a steal last year, but he’s come back to earth this year. He would have good trade value if GMBG wanted to move him….Addison’s defense leaves alot to be desired (but he’s still learning) it will be interesting if GMBG wants to keep him or trade him away for assets and the idea of bringing in more size on our back end…

    Gus’s next deal will be a little tricky figuring out his aav and term…

    Personally I’d look at what they could get moving Foligno and using his capspace to get Boldy some help…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22460
    #2181381

    I am pretty sure Gus’ deal will be a 3 year one. That gets us out of the buyout hell.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181382

    Its kind of Wild that Steel has gone from 1st line, to 2nd line to 4th line to benched in just a week. I can say its deserved, but you really dont see that happen often.

    that’s what happens when you have borderline NHL guys in key positions, they are unpredictable because they have the skill to be an NHL player, but lack the consistency the top6 NHL guys all have, so they’ll flash, then sputter out…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8419
    #2181383

    Its kind of Wild that Steel has gone from 1st line, to 2nd line to 4th line to benched in just a week. I can say its deserved, but you really dont see that happen often.

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    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181385

    I am pretty sure Gus’ deal will be a 3 year one. That gets us out of the buyout hell.

    His agent will want to get the aav closer to what a starting goalie would get if the plan is for Gus to be the primary starter in years 2 & 3 when Wallstedt is likely still backing up…

    My guess is that Gus’s agent will want to wait to sign anything until they get confirmation Flower is coming back next year. Otherwise he’ll for sure want to get closer to a starters .aav

    Why would Flower want to come back to the Wild next year? Perhaps he wants to pass Roy in wins, but he’ll never catch Brodeur…This season has been rough on him, he must have the little voice in his head saying wtf am I still playing for…next year will likely just be more of the same with this team….it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Wild falter this month and are out of it, and if Flower’s desire is to retire after this season, for him to ask GMBG to move him to a contender who needs goalie depth…Vegas would have been a great fit, but i’m sure they burned that bridge with him…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11503
    #2181391

    I don’t disagree with Steel as a healthy scratch, but to say they are putting Reaves in the lineup to match Floridas physicality is laughable.
    Florida is a fast up tempo high offensive team not the broad street bullies. They are 26th in the league in hits.
    He doesn’t play enough minutes in a game to even make an impact. When he does he rarely has the speed to get to a player to play physical. He is in because we have no other option because he yes Reaves is blocking a player from being called up.

    Do you really think Bennet or Gudas are worried about the 8 minutes which might equate to 1-2 that Bennet and Gudas are on the ice with him?

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8419
    #2181393

    My guess is that Gus’s agent will want to wait to sign anything until they get confirmation Flower is coming back next year. Otherwise he’ll for sure want to get closer to a starters .aav

    Even more true for Billy, right? The Wild need to know Flower’s future before they can put money towards Gus. And they really have no say in his future. Interesting that his contract was specifically set up so he could retire without any cap penalties.

    Really need to be cautious on Gus as a future starter though… look at the list of recent goalies getting Calder votes and it’s wild. They either turn into Vezina finalists or complete busts.

    Swayman, Nedelkovic, Nedelkovic, Shesterkin, Vanacek, Lankinen, Kahkonen, Sorokin, Merzlekins, Blackwood, Samsonov

    Predicting a goalie’s future is completely nuts

    AK Guy
    Posts: 1375
    #2181397

    I don’t disagree with Steel as a healthy scratch, but to say they are putting Reaves in the lineup to match Floridas physicality is laughable.
    Florida is a fast up tempo high offensive team not the broad street bullies. They are 26th in the league in hits.
    He doesn’t play enough minutes in a game to even make an impact. When he does he rarely has the speed to get to a player to play physical. He is in because we have no other option because he yes Reaves is blocking a player from being called up.

    Do you really think Bennet or Gudas are worried about the 8 minutes which might equate to 1-2 that Bennet and Gudas are on the ice with him?

    Yeah, but you’ll get 60 minutes of chirps from the bench from Reaves.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11503
    #2181407

    Even more true for Billy, right? The Wild need to know Flower’s future before they can put money towards Gus. And they really have no say in his future. Interesting that his contract was specifically set up so he could retire without any cap penalties.

    Really need to be cautious on Gus as a future starter though… look at the list of recent goalies getting Calder votes and it’s wild. They either turn into Vezina finalists or complete busts.

    Swayman, Nedelkovic, Nedelkovic, Shesterkin, Vanacek, Lankinen, Kahkonen, Sorokin, Merzlekins, Blackwood, Samsonov

    Predicting a goalie’s future is completely nuts

    I get they would risk him going FA the following year. Could they not take his RFA raise this next year and make a decision during the season next year when he has more games under his belt. Before this year he had played 27 NHL games total. He was not exactly a prize prospect before his NHL debut.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181408

    completely off topic, found this 1987 Canada Cup highlights video of Gretzky and Lemieux just clowning the best players in the World, Gretzky’s mind was always 2 plays ahead of everybody elses…it would be cool to see this series brought back….

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8419
    #2181411

    I’m saying there’s a better chance Gus is a bust after this season than a future Vezina finalist. Depending how this year plays out with Flower I wouldn’t be shocked to see Gus traded this off-season. Extending him likely costs an Addison or Freddy level player. Best case is Flower retires after this year and they can put that money to Gus.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11503
    #2181412

    Crazy how far goalies came out to take away the angles back in the day.
    On Mario’s clapper goalie was damn near at the dot. jester

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181414

    Reaves in the lineup to match Floridas physicality is laughable

    Laughable? maybe from our couches? its a shame we can’t ask the Wild’s skill guys how they feel about Reaves playing tonight…Bennet is the type of guy who wouldn’t hesitate to take Kaprizov out, he’s a dirty sob…Goudas could have been casted in the final game of Slapshot…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11503
    #2181415

    I’m saying there’s a better chance Gus is a bust after this season than a future Vezina finalist. Depending how this year plays out with Flower I wouldn’t be shocked to see Gus traded this off-season. Extending him likely costs an Addison or Freddy level player. Best case is Flower retires after this year and they can put that money to Gus.

    I guess that is my question. Wouldn’t he be Arbitration eligible for next season which would probably be 3 million or less per on a 1 year deal, as he makes 787k now.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17673
    #2181417

    Crazy how far goalies came out to take away the angles back in the day.
    On Mario’s clapper goalie was damn near at the dot. jester

    interesting how their body frame and the size of the pads have changed over the years…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11503
    #2181418

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
    Reaves in the lineup to match Floridas physicality is laughable

    Laughable? maybe from our couches? its a shame we can’t ask the Wild’s skill guys how they feel about Reaves playing tonight…Bennet is the type of guy who wouldn’t hesitate to take Kaprizov out, he’s a dirty sob…Goudas could have been casted in the final game of Slapshot…

    Maybe those players are but they are not worried about the 7 minutes Reaves will be plodding around the ice.
    Gudas has 1 fight this year against JT Miller. LOL

    We complain about lack of scoring and giving Boldy help but are thankful for a guy that doesn’t really do anything when on the ice. You think Bennet is going to play different because Reaves is in the lineup vs him not being in the lineup. My guess is he could care less.

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