2021 MN Wild/NHL Thread

  • Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11447
    #2040534

    The distance traveled part is kind of silly in this case as it was basically an icing if not for the Montreal player getting there first. Definitely a violent check and I suspect a suspension of 2-3 games. Don’t disagree he was not attempting to stop the goal.

    AnotherFisherman
    Posts: 601
    #2040537

    No surprise here, but Kaprizov officially a finalist for the Calder. Up against Alex Nedeljkovic and Jason Robertson.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8387
    #2040554

    The charging rule in the NHL basically just says “you hit him too hard”. Totally open to interpretation and leaves the DoPS all kinds of gray area and discretion. It’s mostly only used when the player leaves his feet or contacts the head. A few years ago that hit would be a highlight played over and over on all the sports networks, funny how the game and fans have changed (for the better).

    Sheifele absolutely crushed him out of frustration but my guess is only 1 or 2 games since there’s no deliberate head contact or leaving his feet. It just happened sooo fast.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8387
    #2040556

    Vegas responded big time against the Aves last night, but still took the L. Looked like 2 completely different teams than game 1. Vegas had like 5 posts in the second half of the game.

    So was Vegas worn down from 7 games against the Wild or just got used to a slower more physical game and took game 1 to adjust?

    I can’t stand Pete DeBoer. His post game interviews are just so whiny and arrogant. Same for Mark Stone.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22294
    #2040565

    It’s still a head scratcher why DeBoer didn’t start the Flower in game 1.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11545
    #2040570

    Although I don’t think Scheiffle has any previous suspension history (this should reduce whatever suspension he gets) it will be interesting to see how a star player is treated by the PlayerSafety Committee…

    Well, he’s a star player, but he’s playing for the Winnipeg Jets. That matters, it’s not what you did, it’s who you play for when you did it. The Jets are NOT a sacred cow franchise.

    Grouse

    Umy
    South Metro
    Posts: 1942
    #2040575

    THere was no way he was going to prevent the goal with a hit like that AFTER he already had the wraparound, that was a deliberate shot that did NOT need to be – period. You know as a player that will NOT end well – BS all around. Not even comparable to Fiala’s – Fials pulled up and even tried to prevent the hit. This was unnecessary – period.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #2040587

    I am just amazed he went to the hotel, not the hospital.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17573
    #2040594

    In other Wild news, Final presser for Dean and GMBG today, not much in terms of news other than getting a center is a top priority (other than signing our RFA’s) but he won’t mortgage the future for one so i’m guessing he’s out of the Eichel sweepstakes (most thought he was anyways)

    Some dates this summer to take note of:

    July ? – 48 hours AFTER the Playoffs finish the NHL buyout period starts
    July 17th – Teams must submit their protected lists for the xpac draft
    July 21st – xpac draft takes place
    July 24th-25th – NHL Draft take place
    Mid September – Training Camp starts

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11447
    #2040605

    Yeah the Wild have some big decisions this off season that will dictate there next handful of years. I think there is zero chance on Eichel and less than 0 on Barkov. More likely looking at a younger unproven 1c or 2c. Big decision in Parise, some large contracts and who they are going to expose to xpack. Then who will replace that player and others leaving do to free agency.

    That hit last night kind of reminded me of the movie young blood when Racki smokes young blood after he scores. “keep your head up *rick.” Look where the puck is a hole” rotflol

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17573
    #2040652

    4 games for Scheiffle, ouch!

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17573
    #2040682

    I think 2 games is warranted, pretty sure he can appeal and perhaps get it reduced a game….

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22294
    #2040713

    I still dont get the fascination with Eichel. Russo keeps talking about him as does most everyone else. The fact is it would take a ton to acquire him blowing a huge hole in our current roster and depleting prospects/picks plus has injury concerns.
    BG said that Rossi is feeling great and will begin skating Monday which is great news!
    BG hopped on with LaPanta and Russo for their podcast and he is just so refreshing, candid and open about everything. Obviously there are specific things he cannot talk about like players on other teams he may target, but we have never had someone so open. Fenton never really opened up a vein.

    BG went on to say that even if you have a 1C it doesnt guarantee you win. Look at McDavid, Crosby had a nice run, but now what? I think a better strategy is to have more balanced scoring which the Wild did a good job of, but we do need to get better down the middle in the top 2 lines.
    He talked at length about Boldy or any young player. He said that you can bring a guy into the NHL too early, but he can never spend too much time in the NHL. He will get his shot in camp to see where he’s at, but he most likely will start in AHL.

    Interesting Cap logistics. The Wild finished with just $30,000 of Cap space so they will have their full Cap next year.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17573
    #2040723

    I think they (Russo/Media) keep the Eichel talk going because it generates clicks…even if we could get him for a decent price, he has a neck injury! that’s a bigger red flag than any rumored character issues in my book, especially for a $10+ caphit for 5 years….

    I too listened to that podcast and found it very informative, you really get the feeling that GMBG “gets it” and knows exactly what he’s doing and following his plan, I also like his honesty. He definitely walked me off the “Get Boldy out there at all costs” cliff so it’s great to know they had a plan all along and didn’t cave to fan pressure.

    It will be very interesting to see what kind of contracts he can get for our new “big 3”

    Lastly expect a Rossi skating video to soon follow next week, the kid is a workout beast and his dad loves to promote him on social media, so at least we’ll all be kept in the loop on his offseason progression.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11545
    #2040753

    I think they (Russo/Media) keep the Eichel talk going because it generates clicks…even if we could get him for a decent price, he has a neck injury! that’s a bigger red flag than any rumored character issues in my book, especially for a $10+ caphit for 5 years….

    Can’t blame the media, IMO. If you look at the Wild, there is a total lack of anything ELSE to talk about without risking offending the very soft and easily bruised egos that now inhabit professional sports.

    What are you going to do, talk about ANOTHER first-round playoff exit? Ho-hum, nothing new to see here…

    And once again the Wild have rained on their own parade by playing just well enough to downgrade their own 2X R1 draft prospects. But wait, it gets worse… In a really weak draft.

    Also, there’s probably more news in what’s NOT going to happen this offseason. The problem is this is a real buzzkill to take up this angle, but here’s reality knocking at the X’s door, so go on, open it:

    1. No, the Wild will not be buying out Parise.
    2. No, they won’t be trading him either.
    3. No, the Wild’s #1 center issue will not be solved by a blockbuster summer acquisition.
    4. No, that doesn’t make it any less fun to think about the “what if” with Eichel.
    5. No, the draft won’t be producing anything except “wait and see” prospects that will need years to be NHL ready.
    6. No, having BG as GM won’t turn the expansion draft into a suck-free experience for the Wild. Once again, the expansion team that got totally ###### by the NHL, will have to give up high-quality assets to make another expansion team an instant playoff contender just like Team In A Box.

    About the only other newsworthy thing was done to death last year. It’s the Dumba thing… Again, nothing new here.

    I don’t blame them for talking about Eichel, it’s a lot more fun than talking about all the other things that won’t be happening for this team.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17573
    #2040756

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    I think they (Russo/Media) keep the Eichel talk going because it generates clicks…even if we could get him for a decent price, he has a neck injury! that’s a bigger red flag than any rumored character issues in my book, especially for a $10+ caphit for 5 years….

    Can’t blame the media, IMO. If you look at the Wild, there is a total lack of anything ELSE to talk about without risking offending the very soft and easily bruised egos that now inhabit professional sports.

    What are you going to do, talk about ANOTHER first-round playoff exit? Ho-hum, nothing new to see here…

    And once again the Wild have rained on their own parade by playing just well enough to downgrade their own 2X R1 draft prospects. But wait, it gets worse… In a really weak draft.

    Also, there’s probably more news in what’s NOT going to happen this offseason. The problem is this is a real buzzkill to take up this angle, but here’s reality knocking at the X’s door, so go on, open it:

    1. No, the Wild will not be buying out Parise.
    2. No, they won’t be trading him either.
    3. No, the Wild’s #1 center issue will not be solved by a blockbuster summer acquisition.
    4. No, that doesn’t make it any less fun to think about the “what if” with Eichel.
    5. No, the draft won’t be producing anything except “wait and see” prospects that will need years to be NHL ready.
    6. No, having BG as GM won’t turn the expansion draft into a suck-free experience for the Wild. Once again, the expansion team that got totally ###### by the NHL, will have to give up high-quality assets to make another expansion team an instant playoff contender just like Team In A Box.

    About the only other newsworthy thing was done to death last year. It’s the Dumba thing… Again, nothing new here.

    I don’t blame them for talking about Eichel, it’s a lot more fun than talking about all the other things that won’t be happening for this team.

    Whomp…Whomp…

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    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11545
    #2040766

    Debbie Downer or Mister Reality?

    But honestly I can’t think of a Wild off season that offered less to talk about in terms of things that might realistically happen.

    Grouse

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11447
    #2040783

    I disagree.
    I think it will be a very interesting off season.
    Xpack draft for starters. Navigating that for the wild will be interesting.
    2 first round picks I agree are not that sexy but can be used for leverage in multiple scenarios including xpack or moving in the draft or using to acquire players in a trade. I guess I’d rather have them then not.
    They have several holes to fill with UFA guys that played some significant minutes.
    Getting too worked up about finding a 1c immediately is a little ridiculous IMO.
    Especially when you don’t have an idea about what Rossi is like yet.
    They also have a little bit of a log jam at the moment on D so will be interesting to see if one gets plucked or one gets moved before the xpack.
    KK contract negotians.
    I also don’t think the Parise situation is suddenly brushed under a rug. Both sides seam pretty hard on their stances. If nothing happens with him to me it’s more of a sign that they could figure out a work around.
    Will be several teams cough cough Tampa that will have to unload players for cap reasons.
    I guess it’s more interesting then watching the twins or wolves unfold the rest of the summer.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22294
    #2040785

    Aside from the 2012 signings of Parise and Suter the biggest FA signing of two of the most coveted players (at the time), this year will be a close second. There is so much to talk about and so much to do and how BG navigates that will be very interesting to speculate on and discuss afterward. We only have 14 players under contract for next year so there is potentially lots of changes.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #2040788

    I think 2 games is warranted, pretty sure he can appeal and perhaps get it reduced a game….

    I think 4 is the right number. You just cannot make contact like that in that situation. He’s fortunate that he didn’t get hurt much worse.

    You got 2 bodies headed toward a collision. One is making a hockey play and the other is just trying to freight train a guy.

    If it were Tom Wilson, 10 games would have been fitting.

    KP
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 1361
    #2040789

    I thought I read something that GMBG told Dumba after the season that they want to keep him and will do everything they can. Not sure if I read that on the Athletic or heard it on KFAN but I dont think Billy G is the type of guy to blow smoke at a player.

    I also have a feeling that Parise will be on the team next year and he learns to except his new diminished role.

    I think its going to be an interesting/fun/stressful offseason.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22294
    #2040794

    I thought I read something that GMBG told Dumba after the season that they want to keep him and will do everything they can. Not sure if I read that on the Athletic or heard it on KFAN but I dont think Billy G is the type of guy to blow smoke at a player.

    I dont think its blowing smoke. BG does want to keep him, but he has a job to do to make this team better to compete with the likes of the Avs and Knights when it counts. He knows to do that he is going to have to make some tough decisions. Telling Dumba he wants to keep him but to make the team better he may have no choice. I’d love to have Dumba on this team, but realistically it just probably will not work out with the 3 RFA’s they need to sign and to get better down the middle. Something has to give. If there were no salary cap sure, Dumba could stay, but he is the most likely candidate to get moved because he doesnt have a NTC until July sometime kicking in.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11447
    #2040800

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    I think 2 games is warranted, pretty sure he can appeal and perhaps get it reduced a game….

    I think 4 is the right number. You just cannot make contact like that in that situation. He’s fortunate that he didn’t get hurt much worse.

    You got 2 bodies headed toward a collision. One is making a hockey play and the other is just trying to freight train a guy.

    If it were Tom Wilson, 10 games would have been fitting.

    I guess he could have dove head first in the post or the boards to try and stop it, or Evans could have picked his head up once from the red line in and realized he had a big strong guy back checking him hard.
    It wasn’t Tom Wilson so I fail to see the correlation there.
    Unfortunate he got his bell rung, but having zero awareness on the play was a good portion of why he got blown up.

    Hell Reaves hit on Suter into the post was more dangerous IMO as he had no way of knowing he was going to get hit from behind face first into the post.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8387
    #2040821

    DoPS leaving fans and players with a lot of head scratchers lately. Suspending a player with no history 4 playoff games for hitting someone too hard is pretty wild. The hit wasn’t late, wasn’t a head shot, and he didn’t leave his feet. The only thing they could say in the suspension video was everyone’s favorite new phrase “distance travelled” – a rule no one had ever heard referenced ever before but now everyone wants to repeat it. Some other funny stuff from the video was that “he made no attempt to play the puck”. Since when are players forced to play the puck instead of the body? And people say the hit was unnecessary or could have been avoided. Couldn’t almost every big check could be considered unnecessary or be avoided?

    What I’m getting from the DoPS is don’t hit people too hard.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8387
    #2040823

    Grouse’s point are all most likely true, but I’m not sure what that makes this a boring off season. This is going to be a really eventful off season for the Wild.

    1. Expansion draft.
    2. 3 best forwards need new contracts. Likely BIG contracts.
    3. At least 4 roster holes need to be filled.
    4. Victor Rask contract? Really curious what they do with him.
    5. Whatever happens with Parise is a story. Even if nothing happens.
    6. Winter classic build up.

    I’m so sick of hearing Eichel trade proposals.

    KP
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 1361
    #2040824

    Doesn’t Rask have another year left on his contract? All year I’ve heard reports on here and else where that he will be gone. Are we going to buy him out or trade him?

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17573
    #2040831

    I don’t see Parise on the team next year purely based on the economics and his age.

    IF they buy him out next month he’s only a $2.5+ caphit next year and then basically a $7 the next 3 years and then $800k for the remaining years.

    IF they wait a year, he’s another year older/slower now and the caphit goes directly to the $7 million for 3 years and $800k for the remaining years…

    So GMBG’s decision will be do you want $5 million in capspace to spend next year or Parise on the 4th line?

    and don’t take Parise’s 3 playoff games into account, he was playing those with weeks of rest and his reputation and career on the line…

    Seems like an easy decision to me…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17573
    #2040832

    Doesn’t Rask have another year left on his contract? All year I’ve heard reports on here and else where that he will be gone. Are we going to buy him out or trade him?

    his buyout is something like $1 million x 2 years and saves $3 million in capspace next season…buh-bye Rask

    Buying out Parise & Rask can save you $8 million next season, enough to sign Bonino and Cole to large 1 year deals (if they’ll take 1 year deals) as insurance if they young guys aren’t ready yet…

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