2021 MN Wild/NHL Thread

hop307 wrote:

10 years since we lost the Boogyman. He would have put these guys in there place.

Sadly, there’s no place in the game for a “Boogeyman” type of player anymore, the game is too fast now and Boogey couldn’t keep up with even the worst 4th liners in today’s game…the end of an era when he and a few other old school tough guys (Fedoruk, Shelley, Brashier, Bull, Thornton) left the game….

I did re-watch the clip of the Wild vs Ducks playoff game 11+ years ago when the crowd was chanting his game and blew the roof off the place when he stepped on the ice after a flare up at the end of the game, that was the Boogeyman’s moment in a Wild uniform…

gimruis wrote:

To be clear, I wasn’t comparing Reeves production to Wilson’s production. Solely based on stats, Wilson is an extremely productive player. He plays on the top line with Ovechkin and Backstrom and puts up good numbers. Reeves does not.

I was only comparing their character and style as both being punk ass goons, which they are. And quite honestly, Tom Wilson should not even be playing at this time after the incident with the Rangers.

How much of Wilson’s production is just a byproduct of playing with Backstrom and Ovi though? What does Wilson produce if he played on the Caps 4th line?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

How much of Wilson’s production is just a byproduct of playing with Backstrom and Ovi though? What does Wilson produce if he played on the Caps 4th line?

Very valid point. I don’t know, but certainly would not be as productive as he is playing with those other two guys on the top line.

If you put Reeves on the top line, his numbers might improve but certainly he’s just not the type of player that possesses the speed, skill, and agility to put up numbers that Wilson does.

gimruis wrote:

I was only comparing their character and style as both being punk ass goons, which they are. And quite honestly, Tom Wilson should not even be playing at this time after the incident with the Rangers.

Why compare their character, it’s not the same at all and that’s the point I’m trying to get across. Their completely different players, even in the “enforcer” role.

Reaves is the closest thing you’ll get to an old school NHL enforcer. He puts on a big show and is there to “protect his skill guys”. Reaves plays physical but takes relatively few minor penalties and doesn’t have much of a history with the DPOS. I have no problem with Reaves, he knows what he has to do to stay in the NHL and does it without trying to hurt people. He pretty much leaves skill guys alone and just gets after the biggest toughest guys. Yes he chirps a lot and says dumb stuff on social media, but that extra attention is what makes him valuable in a market like Vegas. I think his game sucks and he’s a dying breed in the NHL, but that has nothing to do with his character.

Wilson is a giant rat that tries to hurt people over and over and over. He’s a reason why guys like Reaves are still in the league.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

How much of Wilson’s production is just a byproduct of playing with Backstrom and Ovi though? What does Wilson produce if he played on the Caps 4th line?

Sure, but why do you think he’s played most of his career in a top 6 role? Maybe he’s threatened the 3 head coaches that put him there, or IDK, maybe it’s because he’s pretty good?

What does **insert any NHL player** produce if they only got 4th line minutes? Just such a weird argument.

tswoboda wrote:

Wilson is a giant rat that tries to hurt people over and over and over. He’s a reason why guys like Reaves are still in the league.

I don’t disagree with this.

tswoboda wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
How much of Wilson’s production is just a byproduct of playing with Backstrom and Ovi though? What does Wilson produce if he played on the Caps 4th line?

Sure, but why do you think he’s played most of his career in a top 6 role? Maybe he’s threatened the 3 head coaches that put him there, or IDK, maybe it’s because he’s pretty good?

What does **insert any NHL player** produce if they only got 4th line minutes? Just such a weird argument.

He’s on that line to protect/create space for Ovi and more importantly Backstrom, you seriously think they don’t have better skilled players to put on that line? if you look at Wilson’s stats the first 4 years in the league when he didn’t play with Ovi and Backstrom vs the last 4 years that he has, his stats are pretty comparable to Reeves the past few years in Vegas when he has had a more consistent shift vs his early years in St Louis when he was just sent out to fight.

I’m NOT saying they are equally skilled players, but I am saying Wilson’s stats are inflated because of who he plays with (Likely the greatest pure goal scorer in NHL history and one of the best pure passers in NHL history)

Funny test scenario – don’t today’s modern NHL video games allow you to run simulated seasons? Swap out Wilson for Reeves and run a sim and it would be fun to see how many points Reeves has after 82 games on that line (I don’t have any video game systems to try this with but perhaps a younger thread watcher does?)

I don’t think Evason is happy with Parise. This is from the game preview for tonight’s game off of NBCSN.

Evason noted that even accomplished players like Parise must earn their spot for the playoffs.

“They’ve got to put the work in and show us that they’re ready to go when they get called upon,” Evason said. “We’re going into the playoffs. We’re going to use bodies. People are going to get banged up. We expect everybody that’s not playing to be ready to play if called upon.”

Joe I think we agree… they’re not equal players. Not even close. That’s why I don’t understand why they get compared all the time.

I agree with you that Wilson’s numbers would be way down if he played 4th line minutes. But so would every single other NHL player. When did I say anything about Reaves or Wilson’s point totals? I’m not just looking at stats and saying he gets more points so he’s better, throw the stats out the window. I’m saying watch the games and you can see Wilson’s a good player, a big physical guy with skill who knows how to use his body to create offense for himself and his teammates. He plays on their 1st line and gets PP/PK time because he’s a good player, fits into that spot on his team, and earned those minutes. Wilson is who we want Jordan Greenway to be, minus the whole psychopath part.

Now watch Reaves and the Vegas 4th line. They’re the Achilles heal of a really good team.

I think I compared the two and to your point TSW I was saying the same thing as you are. Not comparable IMO.

Evason on KFAN today said a bunch of guys will get rested tonight. So does that mean Boldy will play tonight or just the Taxi Squad guys?

Russo said the other day that Boldy would finish the Iowa season then likely get called up.

KP wrote:

Evason on KFAN today said a bunch of guys will get rested tonight. So does that mean Boldy will play tonight or just the Taxi Squad guys?

Taxi squad and maybe Zach gets to play.

Don’t forget Brad “nicest guy in the world” Hunt… I almost forgot he was on the team. Wonder if Creed will play him at D or forward tonight

Ripjiggen wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>KP wrote:</div>
Evason on KFAN today said a bunch of guys will get rested tonight. So does that mean Boldy will play tonight or just the Taxi Squad guys?

Taxi squad and maybe Zach gets to play.

Sure would be a huge kick to the groin if he doesn’t.

You know, maybe Parise’s time as a productive offensive player is done. He’s had a fine career. I can recall him scoring 40+ goals with NJ at least one season when they went to the Stanley Cup Finals. But every player ages, and none of them can defy father time. I remember when Dany Heatley hit a wall in production with the Wild. He was a friggin stud in Ottawa and SJ before he came to Minnesota.

gimruis wrote:

You know, maybe Parise’s time as a productive offensive player is done. He’s had a fine career. I can recall him scoring 40+ goals with NJ at least one season when they went to the Stanley Cup Finals. But every player ages, and none of them can defy father time. I remember when Dany Heatley hit a wall in production with the Wild. He was a friggin stud in Ottawa and SJ before he came to Minnesota.

Agreed, but the difference is most guys hit their wall with little to no term left on their last veteran minimum contracts… Parise “could” really screw the Wild over from a cap perspective by retiring early…we’ll see how this plays out over the next few months…

Before that would happen they would buy him out. They could Marian Hossa him too. He has little left in the tank. I’ve been a huge Parise fan but this year has been eye opening. That wasn’t a slide, it was falling off a cliff.

Kinda Interesting that Suter didnt get the night off? Playing a meaningless back to back on 36 year old legs with game 1 on sunday…must have been his decision?

CaptainMusky wrote:

Before that would happen they would buy him out. They could Marian Hossa him too. He has little left in the tank. I’ve been a huge Parise fan but this year has been eye opening. That wasn’t a slide, it was falling off a cliff.

Doesn’t the Marian Hossa option require the player to “play ball” and delay their retirement indefinitely? I get the feels that Parise wouldnt feel like helping the Wild???

Parise wouldnt. We’ve identified the locker room issue this year for sure. Funny how the lightning get 2 of their best players magically ready to play at playoff time too. This crap keeps happening. It’s time for the wild to take advantage. They could coerce the team doctors to say he’s unfit to play and force retirement. Then if he comes back that’s on him lol
Otherwise Parise could choose to void the rest of his contract to play elsewhere which wouldn’t happen.

Maybe we should go with this lineup if we play the blues in the playoffs.

Has an NHL team ever been bag skated in the 1-2 practices they have before the start of their playoffs?

J/K

Meaningless game, just get out of it without any injuries….

I’m sure Torts has.

4-1 Avs after 2 periods, bring on the Golden Knights!

Glad they are getting Vegas instead of Colorado. But, that was an ugly last two games of the season hope it doesn’t carry over.

1-7 vs St Louis this season? Yikes. If they do happen to get past Vegas, not sure if I’d rather have them play the Avs or Blues in round 2.

gimruis wrote:

1-7 vs St Louis this season? Yikes. If they do happen to get past Vegas, not sure if I’d rather have them play the Avs or Blues in round 2.

The Wild do not match up well against the Blues. Surprisingly the more skilled teams they match up better against. Vegas the best, but this series is going to be different than what we have seen thus far. I think its going to be a tough series for the Wild. Goal tending and defense has been a major concern lately. They better flip that switch and quick.
If the Wild get past Vegas, they would have home ice if facing the Blues, but I think I still like the Avs matchup better regardless.

None of that maters now. Everyone is 0-0 and it is now a totally different game. There are going to be some great first round matchups.

Ripjiggen wrote:

None of that maters now. Everyone is 0-0 and it is now a totally different game. There are going to be some great first round matchups.

Record doesnt matter for sure, but fact remains the Wild do not matchup well against the Blues. Maybe it will not happen. I am excited for the Vegas series. Hopefully we can get more fans in the X for some real energy in there.