2021 MN Wild/NHL Thread

  • gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17361
    #2035945

    Does this feel like the best regular season in franchise history? Definitely wasn’t expecting that coming into the season.

    I certainly wasn’t. I thought they would be competing with Phoenix for the 4th spot in the division, behind Vegas, Colorado, and St Louis.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2035950

    Boy that Eichel saga just keeps getting darker and darker. I dont see that marriage ending well.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11632
    #2035959

    Start the watch for a company car heading up from Iowa today or tomorrow, I suspect we’ll see a Boldy callup anytime now to give him a few games against the Blues to get his bearings before the playoffs start.

    This would be great, but I can’t see why they were waiting for the series with the Blues? I’d have thought it would be better to bring him up and give him some games against a wreck like the Ducks rather than the “throw him in the deep end” approach with the Blues.

    Can’t wait to see him with the big club though.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17848
    #2036034

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    Start the watch for a company car heading up from Iowa today or tomorrow, I suspect we’ll see a Boldy callup anytime now to give him a few games against the Blues to get his bearings before the playoffs start.

    This would be great, but I can’t see why they were waiting for the series with the Blues? I’d have thought it would be better to bring him up and give him some games against a wreck like the Ducks rather than the “throw him in the deep end” approach with the Blues.

    Can’t wait to see him with the big club though.

    Blues have nothing to play for, both teams will just be focusing on getting through both games without injury…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17848
    #2036055

    Interesting article in The Athletic regarding Eichel and Reinhart, both basically saying they are done playing in Buffalo…

    We all know about Eichel and the kings ransom it would take to get him but Reinhart can play center, is only 26 yrs old, had 25 goals this season and wouldn’t cost nearly as much…another option for GMBG to look at????

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2036095

    Interesting article in The Athletic regarding Eichel and Reinhart, both basically saying they are done playing in Buffalo…

    Which article? There were like 3? LOL I know which one you are referencing, but its pretty wild in Buffalo. They sure put the fun in dysfunction.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2036124

    I have been thinking of Reinhardt for a good portion of this season. I think he would be a good fit. To play on the first line and see what you have in Rossi.
    Rossi Reinhardt Ek Sturm/Hartman would be a huge improvement down the middle.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8507
    #2036148

    Eichel said. “I mean, listen, my No. 1 interest and my No. 1 goal is Jack Eichel, you know what I mean? You’ve got to look after yourself. You’ve got to look after what’s best for yourself.”

    He went on to talk to himself in the mirror during the interview. What an egocentric weirdo.

    Aves beat Vegas last night so the Wild’s 1st round matchup is in their hands. If they win their last 2 against LA then the Wild get Vegas 1st round.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2036159

    Egocentric yes probably, but I also think he is dealing with an injury that he is getting conflicting advice. It is also his neck which is not something you want to hear conflicting opinions as a hockey player.
    So is some of this on Jack for sure but some of it has to be out on the dumpster fire that is Buffalo.

    Maybe they should hire Torts to teach everyone how to be a man and see how that works.😂

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2036163

    He went on to talk to himself in the mirror during the interview. What an egocentric weirdo.

    I dont blame him so much in this case because he hasn’t been allowed to have surgery and the Sabres are saying the injury wasn’t from playing.
    This comment is precisely why I have been hesitant about him in general however. He has made similar kinds of comments in the past dating all the way to his rookie year. He is a heckuva talent when healthy, but who’s to say any of those ego related gremlins aren’t going to follow him.
    I’d be all in for a push after Reinhardt however.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8507
    #2036205

    I get that Buffalo is a dumpster fire, but there’s been character questions surrounding Eichel for years and this interview only feeds that fire. I’m past the point of giving him the benefit of the doubt. Really good player but I don’t think he’ll ever be “the guy” on a cup contender. He’s an American version of Taylor Hall.

    Maybe they should hire Torts to teach everyone how to be a man and see how that works.😂

    I love Torts… pure comedy. His MO is getting teams with no talent enough loser points to be in the playoff bubble, just terribly boring hockey to watch but he makes up for it with press conference entertainment. He’d probably be perfect for Buffalo, but there’s no way the Pegula’s would pay him.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2036225

    Doesn’t sound like Boldy will be making the trip up until the playoffs.

    Vegas may be playin with 10 forwards and 5 D tonight do to cap constraints

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17848
    #2036337

    I’m onboard with the avoid Eichel crowd…not because of character issues (which I think are overblown) but anytime you have surgery for neck/spine/back issues you’re typically just hitting reset on the clock before the issue flares up again and again…

    I think getting a still RFA young center (like a Max Domi or Reinhart) is the way to go, but you’ll need to overpay a bit to pluck them off their current team unless there’s some strain in their relationship (like Reinhart).

    The only player I’d potentially make a blockbuster offer for is Barkov…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8507
    #2036371

    Barkov is not available, waste of time to speculate on. He/his agent said BEFORE THIS SEASON that he wants to win, and the media ran with that as a trade request. But guess what, the Panthers have done a lot of winning this season. Barkov’s not going anywhere!

    Domi’s stock is so low that Rask for Domi is a legitimate trade offer right now.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17848
    #2036376

    Barkov is not available, waste of time to speculate on. He/his agent said BEFORE THIS SEASON that he wants to win, and the media ran with that as a trade request. But guess what, the Panthers have done a lot of winning this season. Barkov’s not going anywhere!

    Domi’s stock is so low that Rask for Domi is a legitimate trade offer right now.

    Florida is a $-show, who knows if they will even exist as a franchise in the near future, not sure an owner with all those unknowns would sign a player long-term for $80+ million? I know it’s a super low chance, but his contract is up next year and he would be a UFA so there’s more a chance than any other #1 center without baggage…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8507
    #2036393

    Florida is a $-show, who knows if they will even exist as a franchise in the near future, not sure an owner with all those unknowns would sign a player long-term for $80+ million? I know it’s a super low chance, but his contract is up next year and he would be a UFA so there’s more a chance than any other #1 center without baggage…

    You’ve seen Bob’s contract, right?

    **queue the “pre-covid” response**

    Give up the dream of Selke winner Barkov on the Wild.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17848
    #2036417

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    Florida is a $-show, who knows if they will even exist as a franchise in the near future, not sure an owner with all those unknowns would sign a player long-term for $80+ million? I know it’s a super low chance, but his contract is up next year and he would be a UFA so there’s more a chance than any other #1 center without baggage…

    You’ve seen Bob’s contract, right?

    **queue the “pre-covid” response**

    Give up the dream of Selke winner Barkov on the Wild.

    I’ll give it up when he resigns with Florida ) and like I said I’m more onboard with the Wild finding a good young UFA Center with upside we MIGHT be able to pluck off a team vs going the expensive surething route…I believe that BOB contract was the new GM’s 1st move correct? It for sure will be a huge anchor on that team for the next 5 years, especially with Spencer Knight and Team Canada’s WJC starting goalie in the mix…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2036422

    Florida is so loaded with goalies its unreal. They should almost expose Bob for the expansion draft and pray that Seattle takes him. That contract is going to kill them IMO.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8507
    #2036424

    Yes that Bob contract is terrible, I think it was actually signed by the previous GM the year before he was fired… Coincidence? no. My point was just that the owner certainly doesn’t mind writing big checks. They’ll pay Barkov whatever he deserves, and Barkov has no signs of wanting out as long as they are winning. I’m guessing an extension gets done this summer.

    The young unproven player who flourishes in a bigger role is definitely the preferred route to take with the skilled (and expensive) wingers the Wild already have. It’s just up to the pro scouts and Billy G to identify and acquire the right guy. There’s plenty of recent success stories, most of them guys the Wild could have traded for: Roslovic in Columbus, Bennett in Florida, every top 6 center that’s ever played in Vegas, Trocheck to Carolina had a higher price tag but is exceeding expectations big time.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2036425

    BOB has a no trade clause.
    Barkov and Eichel are not happening. Our first round picks are not worth that much and I don’t see the wild even coming close to having enough to offer for either.
    So may as well just start speculating on other moves that actually could happen.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8507
    #2036426

    Florida is so loaded with goalies its unreal. They should almost expose Bob for the expansion draft and pray that Seattle takes him. That contract is going to kill them IMO.

    Full NMC for Bob.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17848
    #2036433

    BOB has a no trade clause.
    Barkov and Eichel are not happening. Our first round picks are not worth that much and I don’t see the wild even coming close to having enough to offer for either.
    So may as well just start speculating on other moves that actually could happen.

    No team in the league can offer the combination of young proven talent (Fiala/Dumba/Greenway) prospects (Boldy/Rossi/Addison/Khusnidinov) and draft picks 2 x 2021 1st rounders.

    Kings have the prospects but thats it, their stars are all aging, same with the Rangers…Ottawa is probably the closest but they aren’t trading Chabot, Stuzle or Thachuk so that limits what they have…

    Moving Dumba and Fiala clears more than enough cap room…

    Again unless Barkov is the target, I think you keep most of the assets and try to trade a few of the pieces to get a young center with upside…

    Another option could be to package both 1st round picks to move up into the top 10 and get a top center prospect like Kent Johnson or Matt Beniers from Michigan? I know our head scout loves Kent Johnson…

    We should all get our Islanders jerseys out and pray for a round 1 upset to get a sub 20 draft pick from Pittsburgh!

    At least the Coyotes helped us out by not making the playoffs thus making both of our 1st round picks 1 slot better!

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2036434

    I dont want to debate what the Wild would give for Eichel because my stomach churns just at the thought of us trading for him. Reinhart I can rally around that, but not Eichel. I dont care that he has a higher ceiling. All the other red flags are a big NO for me couple the fact we would certainly have to lose top tier guys to get him like Rossi, Fiala, etc. I’m fine with losing Dumba. We are just getting rolling with Fiala and hopefully Rossi comes in healthy and gets back to his form and gets rolling too.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2036437

    This first rounders are both late. Its like a 12 percent chance after the 20th pick in the first round that the player even makes it to the NHL.
    You can keep that Barkov dream alive if you want. I just think there is 0 chance however.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2036438

    This year’s draft, the first round isnt very good anyway so I would throw them in on basically any deal before giving up someone we have under our umbrella. Its a nice shiny object because its a first round pick, but they are just so many unknowns without being able to see players and the talent just doesnt seem to be there. 2023 by all accounts is stacking up to be a very good draft.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8507
    #2036457

    BOB has a no trade clause.
    Barkov and Eichel are not happening. Our first round picks are not worth that much and I don’t see the wild even coming close to having enough to offer for either.
    So may as well just start speculating on other moves that actually could happen.

    Pierre Lebrun keeps banging the Eichel to Minnesota drum.

    The internet is about to run out of space from all the Eichel “who says no” trade speculation. It’s all over the map, so who knows if the Wild have the right chips to enter the game or not. I think his $10m aav during the flat cap years is holding Buffalo back from a big haul.

    No team in the league can offer the combination of young proven talent (Fiala/Dumba/Greenway) prospects (Boldy/Rossi/Addison/Khusnidinov) and draft picks 2 x 2021 1st rounders.

    Kings have the prospects but thats it, their stars are all aging, same with the Rangers…Ottawa is probably the closest but they aren’t trading Chabot, Stuzle or Thachuk so that limits what they have…

    Moving Dumba and Fiala clears more than enough cap room…

    Again unless Barkov is the target, I think you keep most of the assets and try to trade a few of the pieces to get a young center with upside…

    Another option could be to package both 1st round picks to move up into the top 10 and get a top center prospect like Kent Johnson or Matt Beniers from Michigan? I know our head scout loves Kent Johnson…

    We should all get our Islanders jerseys out and pray for a round 1 upset to get a sub 20 draft pick from Pittsburgh!

    At least the Coyotes helped us out by not making the playoffs thus making both of our 1st round picks 1 slot better!

    One thing I expect is that Buffalo wants a center they can plug into the top 6 immediately. As shown by the key guys you mention, the Wild don’t have that to offer, but I could get on board with Rask being that guy jester I’m guessing Buffalo isn’t high on Rossi or Marat. They could have had both of them at the draft if they wanted them.

    I dont want to debate what the Wild would give for Eichel because my stomach churns just at the thought of us trading for him. Reinhart I can rally around that, but not Eichel. I dont care that he has a higher ceiling. All the other red flags are a big NO for me couple the fact we would certainly have to lose top tier guys to get him like Rossi, Fiala, etc. I’m fine with losing Dumba. We are just getting rolling with Fiala and hopefully Rossi comes in healthy and gets back to his form and gets rolling too.

    I wonder what Foligno thinks of Eichel and Reinhart. He played 2 years with them in Buffalo, and you know Billy G will ask for his thoughts on them. That was 4 years ago, but it’s still a first hand character reference from someone he trusts.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2036467

    Rossi cleared to start working out. Let’s go!!!

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22764
    #2036468

    I wonder what Foligno thinks of Eichel and Reinhart. He played 2 years with them in Buffalo, and you know Billy G will ask for his thoughts on them. That was 4 years ago, but it’s still a first hand character reference from someone he trusts.

    Excellent point about Foligno didn’t even think of that.

    KP
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 1375
    #2036472

    Has it been reported that the Wild would have interest in Barkov like it has with Eichel or is the Barkov thing just a dream that this forum talks about?

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2036482

    There have been very little if any talks from Florida saying they are going to trade him, but why would they say that from there side at this point. I think it is more the fact that he is an UFA after next season that has Joe foaming at the mouth a bit. lol
    I get it guy is a stud. I just don’t see it happening.

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