2021 MN Wild/NHL Thread

  • tswoboda
    Posts: 8369
    #2058312

    All I hear is “until we hear from Kirill” Well we have in a translated interview where #97 said unequivocally that he and his agent talk about the contract all the time. He is involved. He is fully aware of what’s being offered and what his options are and the fact is he has no options. Play for the Wild or stay in Russia. Simple. He has held this team hostage the entire off season. He’s making himself look like a little biotch. Agent aside. I’d get it if he had three or four other options from other teams but he don’t. The Wild are his only choice if he wants to be in the NHL. Period.

    BG is going to say all the right things on the radio. I’d be willing to bet the mortgage that he and the rest of the Wild front office are seething at the way this has transpired. It makes everyone look bad right now. KK will sign something and will lace his skates in a Wild sweater but he’s now put himself in a position where he best be on the point board every night or things could turn on him quickly. Can you imagine if this kid goes into a ten game slump which he will because even the best players do what the Xcel will sound like?

    Listen to yourselves here. The expectations of him are already astronomical. Now he’s playing these contract games where the only leverage he has are 55 NHL games and a metric ton of expectations. He’s adding a huge amount of additional pressure on himself.

    I’m waiting for the hour long ESPN special where he announces if he is going to sign or not. jester

    You know there’s like 20 other unsigned RFAs around the league right? Some big names too like Hughes, Pettersson, and Tkachuk. Are they also little biotches holding their teams hostage?

    I always love the old “take less money so the fans don’t hate you” take… Very Minnesotan. I bet Theofanous floated that idea to Kirill, but he shot it down because he’s a little biotch.

    ETA: I hope he holds out until camp, so then we can all find out what your panic mode looks like.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2058319

    I’m not here to argue with anyone. Just stating an opinion like everyone else here. Any of us can be right or wrong about any number of things.

    One thing I can tell you with 100% certainty is that I have no panic about KK situation what so ever. I have interest and I follow it but I invest exactly zero emotion into it. If he decided today he’s not going to sign and stay at home perfectly fine with me. I’d be over it in about one second. If he decides today he wants that 8X9 contract anyhow, great let’s see what ya got. Either way it has zero effect on me.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8369
    #2058327

    I’m not here to argue with anyone. Just stating an opinion like everyone else here. Any of us can be right or wrong about any number of things.

    One thing I can tell you with 100% certainty is that I have no panic about KK situation what so ever. I have interest and I follow it but I invest exactly zero emotion into it. If he decided today he’s not going to sign and stay at home perfectly fine with me. I’d be over it in about one second. If he decides today he wants that 8X9 contract anyhow, great let’s see what ya got. Either way it has zero effect on me.

    It’s just a difference of opinion, and discussing different opinions is basically the point of an internet forum. I suppose we could call that arguing, but I assure you that I mean no ill will towards you.

    My bad for assuming that you calling a 24 yo russian kid a little biotch meant you were emotionally invested in the situation.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17551
    #2058344

    The Wild will likely play the LTIR game the next few years to basically buy capspace, it takes an owner willing to basically spend money on ghost players, but its a lever GMBG could pull if they want to…

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2058345

    No worries here my friend. Maybe little biotch was a bit harsh just my perception of how he is acting or you could say not acting. Like I said he has two choices. Play in the NHL for the Minnesota Wild or don’t play in the NHL. Shouldn’t be this long to hammer it out. The other RFA’s most likely have other options open to them? They could be offer sheeted by someone perhaps?

    KK doesn’t have that even. Play here or don’t play in the NHL at all. Given the leverage he has which in my mind is none other than he knows if the Wild walk away fans would burn the Xcel down with BG in it. So maybe that’s where I think this has now gotten to be a biotch move. KK has the power to get this done if that’s what he wants.

    Russo commented that other players respect others rights to get as much as they can at the most desirable terms but it does reach the point where other players start to ask what the hell is going on here and this is entering that territory.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17551
    #2058350

    The difference I see with Kaprizov threatening to go to the KHL vs other players is that he would be basically going home to play in a league he’s been a top draw in the past 5 years… its not an inconvenience for him like it would be to other players. The ONLY thing keeping him out of the KHL is his desire to play in the best league in the world, the money likely isn’t a game changer either way and from what we’ve read about his personal life he isn’t very materialistic…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8369
    #2058353

    I really don’t think he hires Theafanous unless he cares about money.

    Training camp is still 3 weeks away, he’s missed absolutely nothing so far. There’s a pile of other RFAs in the same boat with their teams. It would have been great to have this done 6 months ago, or even 2. But there’s still no need to get our panties in a bunch over this until he somehow isn’t here by September 23.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8369
    #2058355

    I think there’s some serious bad blood between Guerin and Suter. Last night on KFAN it seemed like Billy G went out of his way to throw shade at Suter a couple times. Saying how they still have their 3 best D in tact. How they could have a better D corps this season. And finally my favorite… How they really loved Soucy and Cole, and Suter had some nice years here too.

    Not saying I agree or disagree with any of what he said. Just seemed like he was making some obvious jabs at Suter, or that he really just doesn’t hold the guy in high regard.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2058359

    Russo tip toed around the bad blood between BG and Suter as well as Parise. But it was there. I think there was more bad blood between Evason and Parise but who knows.

    BG wanted to make this team his and wanted a probably needed locker room atmosphere change.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11443
    #2058372

    I think there’s some serious bad blood between Guerin and Suter. Last night on KFAN it seemed like Billy G went out of his way to throw shade at Suter a couple times. Saying how they still have their 3 best D in tact. How they could have a better D corps this season. And finally my favorite… How they really loved Soucy and Cole, and Suter had some nice years here too.

    Not saying I agree or disagree with any of what he said. Just seemed like he was making some obvious jabs at Suter, or that he really just doesn’t hold the guy in high regard.

    No doubt Suter was pissed. No way he saw that coming and probably had some choice words before he hung up the phone. jester
    I also agree with above that they will most likely not be a cup contending team in the next several years. I honestly just want them to sign KK so they have someone entertaining to watch on their team the next several years.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17551
    #2058392

    You could see obvious cracks in the foundation of Suter’s game last season, my guess is that he and Parise have a good start to this season (to try and prove all the doubters wrong) before both run into father time and sharply decline. Dallas is going to regret the contract term they gave Suter, Parise’s contract is still a mystery but Lou knows what he’s doing do I doubt he gets more than 2 years…

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5747
    #2058409

    Basically zero chance BG comes in here and makes a beef with his two highest paid players for no reason. The rumors were true. Good riddance.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2058489

    Basically zero chance BG comes in here and makes a beef with his two highest paid players for no reason. The rumors were true. Good riddance.

    Parise and Suter were clearly running this team during the Mike Yeo years. I remember when Parise brought in Adam Oates to work power play drills with them unbeknownst to coach Yeo. I knew then who was running the team.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11443
    #2058552

    You could see obvious cracks in the foundation of Suter’s game last season, my guess is that he and Parise have a good start to this season (to try and prove all the doubters wrong) before both run into father time and sharply decline. Dallas is going to regret the contract term they gave Suter, Parise’s contract is still a mystery but Lou knows what he’s doing do I doubt he gets more than 2 years…

    Not to rehash this old topic but once again your crystal ball amazes me. Suter was fine last year was third in TOI and a plus 9. Just a couple of seconds from second. There have been several D that have played into their late 30s and even into there 40s. Mostly D men that can play excellent positioning and can see the ice really well. Unless he has a drastic injury Suter will play out that contract if he wants to just fine. IMHO
    Sorry just not a Suter hater like some fans.

    ZP I agree only has so much time left on that back which definitely affects the legs.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22268
    #2058564

    Not to rehash this old topic but once again your crystal ball amazes me. Suter was fine last year was third in TOI and a plus 9. Just a couple of seconds from second. There have been several D that have played into their late 30s and even into there 40s. Mostly D men that can play excellent positioning and can see the ice really well. Unless he has a drastic injury Suter will play out that contract if he wants to just fine. IMHO
    Sorry just not a Suter hater like some fans.

    ZP I agree only has so much time left on that back which definitely affects the legs.

    Suter was “fine” but far from the Suter of old last year. He consistently got burned on the outside because of his transitions are now mysteriously backwards. I suspect this is due to the ankle injury. He would literally turn the wrong way when someone was going around him versus keep facing the opponent. He didnt do it every time, but often enough it caught my attention. I dont doubt that he will continue to be effective for a few years, but he is on a steady decline, not as fast as ZP however.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17551
    #2058571

    I don’t have a crystal ball, just eyes… His “farm strong” game showed lots of cracks last year with lacking speed and questionable decision making…this was obvious 1-2 times a game… His positioning game might keep him on a NHL roster for another year or two but thats it..

    I guess we’ll have to wait and see who’s right…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8369
    #2058582

    Ya’ll gotta realize Suter didn’t get bought out for his play. He got bought out because the GM didn’t want him in the locker room. Not saying that’s right or wrong, but it’s definitely what happened. Only people in the organization will know whether or not it was warranted.

    The ankle injury definitely hampered his skating, but I thought he was actually better last season than the year before. Seems the ankle is stabilized and he’s learning how to play with it. He can only pivot one direction and even said in a Wild YouTube video that he has to jump the boards a certain way too. The ankle is not something that will get worse and his defensive stick and brain are still among the best in the league.

    Saying Suter’s game will fall off a cliff because Parise’s did is just not a realistic comparison. Their game and career trajectory have been vastly different.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22268
    #2058608

    The ankle injury definitely hampered his skating, but I thought he was actually better last season than the year before. Seems the ankle is stabilized and he’s learning how to play with it. He can only pivot one direction and even said in a Wild YouTube video that he has to jump the boards a certain way too. The ankle is not something that will get worse and his defensive stick and brain are still among the best in the league.

    I noticed the same thing. He still has game left and he did certainly look better last year movement wise than the year before. He will be serviceable for a few more years no doubt. He isnt going to be able to maintain those high minutes and he doesnt need to. I think he is going to do really well in Dallas actually because they have some good top 4 guys there.
    Rumors are that Parise deal is 1 year in the $1.5 range.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22268
    #2058673

    Marat playing now. Has 1 g and 1 a so far. 3pts in 2 games for the 19 year old. Read today he’s eager to come to NHL as soon as he can.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11026
    #2058679

    Sorry but Suter has let guys go right around him his whole career here. He goes for the stick check and lucky enough for him it works about 80% of the time. But the 20% it doesn’t the skater blows by him and gets a free shot on net. This has been happening for years with him.

    I’m glad he’s gone. Time for new blood in this town.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11026
    #2058690

    Canadians don’t match making Carolina take Kotkaniemi. Just keeps getting better and better. lol

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22268
    #2058697

    Rossi on his way to MN. Let’s go!!!!!

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17551
    #2058698

    Havs go get Dvorak for a 1st and 2nd round picks…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22268
    #2058705

    I think the Habs got the better end of that deal personally. Carolina might get something out of this but he won’t live up to 6.1 I don’t think.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17551
    #2058708

    I wonder if the Wild ever made a trade proposal for Dvorak? A 1st this year and a 2nd round pick in 2024 is what a desperate team was willing to pay, wonder how much lower our offers were? Dvorak would have solidified our center position long enough for our prospects to hopefully take over. He’s on a solid $4aav contract the next 3-4 years…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8369
    #2058717

    I bet we see Carolina sign KK to a bridge deal well under $6m next spring. They had to discuss that with him before offering the big 1 year overpay. Montreal is the biggest loser here… Dvorak is Rask if Rask never cut his finger. Good for Arizona just stacking up all the draft picks.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17551
    #2058729

    am I the only one who thinks the Wild’s winter classic jersey is ugly? Way too much going on, the better classic jerseys are more simple in design imo…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11443
    #2058776

    I like them… No need for the stripe across the chest though.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22268
    #2058785

    I don’t like that stripe either.

    Boudreau was just on with Russo at the fair. 2 years ago they went after Dvorak and he said “please no, not that guy” lol.
    If it’s true about KK with a lower value deal after this 6.1 then I think it makes sense for Carolina.

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