2021 MN Wild/NHL Thread

  • tswoboda
    Posts: 8732
    #2052548

    Who’s posting this? It’s way too positive! Hijacked account!

    Oh jeez. I’m not drinking your Christmas colored koolaid yet, Joe. Did you miss where I said 4 years from now? Showing I clearly have no expectation or hope for being a cup contender until then chased

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 18415
    #2052561

    Here’s The Hockey Writers take on the Wild’s top 10 prospects, not much new in terms of what we know about these guys, but always nice to read what others think is one of the top prospect pools in the league..

    Top 10 Wild Prospects for the 2021-22 Season

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 18415
    #2052690

    Frank Seravelli just posted that the NHL Salary cap is expected to rise $1 million each of the next 5 season before it jumps $6 million in 2026-2027, the reasoning for the minimal increases the next 5 years is due to the amount of escrow the players association has to pay back the owners (it will be paid back in full in 5 years)

    Does this change anything with contract extensions like Kaprizov? Likely somewhat as the increased $$ they thought was only a year or two away looks more like 6 years now….

    Obviously things can effect this (mostly god forbid other COVID outages) but it lays out a roadmap for GMs the next 5 years…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8732
    #2052702

    Any team that isn’t delusional already knew the cap wasn’t going up any significant amount for 5 years. A $$$billion+ debt doesn’t just disappear overnight in the NHL. I’ll be surprised if they do bump it up at all even if it is only $1 – Maybe just for optics?

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2052711

    Any team that isn’t delusional already knew the cap wasn’t going up any significant amount for 5 years. A $$$billion+ debt doesn’t just disappear overnight in the NHL. I’ll be surprised if they do bump it up at all even if it is only $1 – Maybe just for optics?

    I agree, but at least it’s not flat the next X amount of years…it should pay for Boldy’s bridge deal in 3 years…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8732
    #2052727

    Fiala arbitration hearing scheduled for August 17th. So 12 days to get a deal done before it goes to court… we should all be hoping it doesn’t come to that!

    Originally I figured Fiala would take the 2 year term to walk to UFA, but I think he’ll definitely take the 1 year term. The salary is going to be lower than he wants, and a 1 year term gives him a chance to renegotiate or go back to arbitration next summer. Worst case for him is he has a terrible year, in which case he can just accept his qualifying offer and walk to UFA or the team doesn’t offer the QO and he gets to UFA a year early.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2052728

    Fiala arbitration hearing scheduled for August 17th. So 12 days to get a deal done before it goes to court… we should all be hoping it doesn’t come to that!

    if it does, one would think GMBG’s vision was to trade him all along?

    or Maybe his long term plan is to use that dollar amount on a 1C from a trade with somebody?

    or Maybe they leave the door open if Fiala’s camp comes back just before the hearing date with a much lower longterm offer?

    or Maybe they think the best route is to get the best 1 3/4 years of Fiala’s career and trade him at the deadline as he works towards a huge payday in 3 years as a UFA?

    This whole situation reminds me of the Twins and Jose Berrios, the goal is to get an Aces on the mound, you have one but then trade him away? Wild always need goal scorers, you have one here…PAY YOUR SUPERSTARS!

    but again, we don’t know the details, maybe Fiala is asking for $9 per? and then you just say wtf and send it to an arbitrator?

    CaptainMusky
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    #2052742

    Isnt Fiala’s agent Claude Lemieux? Or was that his old one and he has a new one?

    Fiala has to be aware that KK97 was already offered a reportedly max term team record AAV contract and must feel he deserves similar. I dont think he has earned it, but certainly should be in the $6M+ range I would think.

    I never heard it clarified, but does the arbitrator pick one of the salary values that were submitted OR does he/she say its some other number?

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11856
    #2052743

    I guess if I was him I would feel the same way. Hasn’t earned it? How has KK earned the max with the money offered. People keep talking about KK wanting a center. Hell if I am Fiala I want anything worthwhile on my line. Talk about playing with scrubs on his line.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2052746

    I guess if I was him I would feel the same way. Hasn’t earned it? How has KK earned the max with the money offered. People keep talking about KK wanting a center. Hell if I am Fiala I want anything worthwhile on my line. Talk about playing with scrubs on his line.

    I just listened to KFAN’s Beyond the Pod podcast that had Russo on as the guest. He made a great point in that IF the Wild wants to trade Fiala, then having him sign the 1 or 2 year arbitration term straight to FA is a terrible idea and greatly diminishes his trade value as no team will want the risk of him leaving as a FA, if they want to trade him, they need to come to a multi-year deal that way the team trading for him knows he’ll play for them for the duration of the contract.

    So…..we’ll see if this even makes it to August 17th…..

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
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    #2052776

    Isnt Fiala’s agent Claude Lemieux? Or was that his old one and he has a new one?

    I think I heard recently that he fired Lemieux but I could be wrong.

    CaptainMusky
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    #2052781

    I think I heard recently that he fired Lemieux but I could be wrong.

    I read the article Russo published two days ago and this is indeed correct. He said he hired Newport which has multiple agents working for them, but I didnt see a specific name.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2177
    #2052806

    Just got around to listening to beyond the pod myself with Russo. Yeah the Fiala deal does not sound like it’s going well and some animosity may have developed now. As Russo says some fence mending will need to be done if they end up signing him. I feel he is being used as a pawn by the Wild because they are seriously in on Eichel and I feel they are seriously in on Eichel to satisfy Kaprizov. I would have loved to been able to ask Russo if he felt the Wilds apparently rabid interest in Eichel is Kaprizov driven.

    As Joe has said I think BG needs to head to Russia and get face to face with the young man. His agent may not even be telling him what’s being offered. But can BG actually do that of does everything have to go through the agent?

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2052932

    Reading an Athletic.com story around the league financials, it looks like escrow % for players this season will be around 18%, this drops to 10% the next year and then 6% the remaining 3 years, if still not paid off then it will be extended another year at whatever % is needed to pay it off…For reference it was 20% last year…

    So to recap, for the next 5 years, player salaries are escrowed 18%, 10%, 6%, 6%, 6% and possibly a much higher than 6% (if needed for the 6th year)

    So in Kaprizov’s case, I don’t see how signing a short term (3-4 years) or long term (5-6 years) contract makes any difference from a financial escrow hit standpoint?

    You’re not going to likely find other good teams (outside of the long term rebuilding Ottawa/Detroit/Arizona teams) with the capspace ($9-$11 million) to sign him long term until 6 years from now (best case scenario)

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2177
    #2052941

    Actually that was Sean Shapiro’s write up but none the less I think it take some wind out of the sails of Kaprizov thinking about getting 10 to 12 million in the next 2 or 3 years and land on a Cup contending team. 8 or 9 million for 5 or 6 years should be jumped on by him.

    Ripjiggen
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    #2053097

    Maybe KK and to some degree Fiala see how super star high paid athletes get treated in this state and say I want know part of that. whistling

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2053116

    Maybe KK and to some degree Fiala see how super star high paid athletes get treated in this state and say I want know part of that. whistling

    So Puckett, Garnett, Moss, Mauer, to some degree Towns and Gaborik?

    Don’t we pay them whatever they want, cut them a ton of slack, overpay for players they personally want added to their team and basically treat them like celebrities during/after their careers here??

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11856
    #2053128

    Well Garnett still has a riff with MN and the T Wolves. Dudes in the HOF and his number is still not retired here. Oh by the way he was shipped out and won a championship with the Celtics. Moss was shipped out after 6 seasons and was quoted as saying he wishes he would have left earlier. Mauer is from here was the best catcher of all time at one point and was constantly criticized for his demeanor and that he couldn’t hit bombs and only soft singles up the middle. Gabby was marred by injury had contract disputes and hated playing the slow shut down game the Wild played. He left when he was 27. He was ecstatic to leave.
    Towns probably doesn’t stay in Minnesota after his next contract. Although I will admit I don’t follow much basketball but playing for the most irrelevant sports franchise in all of sports has to get old.

    So yes their is the legend Kirby that everyone loved. I could list a dozen other stars that well probably would also say they were not fond of Minnesota.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2053145

    Well Garnett still has a riff with MN and the T Wolves. Dudes in the HOF and his number is still not retired here. Oh by the way he was shipped out and won a championship with the Celtics. Moss was shipped out after 6 seasons and was quoted as saying he wishes he would have left earlier. Mauer is from here was the best catcher of all time at one point and was constantly criticized for his demeanor and that he couldn’t hit bombs and only soft singles up the middle. Gabby was marred by injury had contract disputes and hated playing the slow shut down game the Wild played. He left when he was 27. He was ecstatic to leave.
    Towns probably doesn’t stay in Minnesota after his next contract. Although I will admit I don’t follow much basketball but playing for the most irrelevant sports franchise in all of sports has to get old.

    So yes their is the legend Kirby that everyone loved. I could list a dozen other stars that well probably would also say they were not fond of Minnesota.

    Garnet’s bad blood is with the owner because he wouldn’t sell him and his group the Wolves at a huge discount, the owner then sold the team for $1.5 BILLION a year later….

    Moss ran himself out of the franchise twice with his attitude, he was also let go by the other two teams he played for…

    Mauer’s issues were mostly injury related with the media (Bi-lateral leg weakness anyone???)

    Gabby is an offensive player who started his career game 1 on a terrible expansion team with ZERO offense and a defensive minded coach, that would drive any offensively talented player to want out… Gabby would love to have started his career on today’s Wild team…

    Towns is being given anything he’s asking for (DLo trade) and still doesn’t give a full effort every game. Fans getting frustrated because the team finally should be alot better than they are now… MN market isn’t conducive for getting/keeping high profile NBA talent and previous GM’s have been absolutely terrible.

    All that being said, the FANS still adore all of them!

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2053154

    Am I missing something on Darnel Nurse in Edmonton? 8 years at over $9 million per? Yes he had 1 good shortened season offensively, but his defense is terrible. My gawd what a ripoff? Makes the Spurgeon/Brodin extensions look genius by comparison imo…

    CaptainMusky
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    #2053167

    Nurse’s contract is ridiculous. He had a great offensive season fueled by being on the ice with McDavid and the fact his shooting percentage was like at historic levels. No way he plays up to the value of that contract.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8732
    #2053232

    Am I missing something on Darnel Nurse in Edmonton? 8 years at over $9 million per? Yes he had 1 good shortened season offensively, but his defense is terrible. My gawd what a ripoff? Makes the Spurgeon/Brodin extensions look genius by comparison imo…

    Nurse’s contract is ridiculous. He had a great offensive season fueled by being on the ice with McDavid and the fact his shooting percentage was like at historic levels. No way he plays up to the value of that contract.

    I’m telling you guys, Peter Chiarelli is still hiding somewhere in Edmonton pulling all the strings on their off-season moves this summer. I called it after the Keith trade, and the evidence keeps piling up.

    Ripjiggen
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    #2053272

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
    Well Garnett still has a riff with MN and the T Wolves. Dudes in the HOF and his number is still not retired here. Oh by the way he was shipped out and won a championship with the Celtics. Moss was shipped out after 6 seasons and was quoted as saying he wishes he would have left earlier. Mauer is from here was the best catcher of all time at one point and was constantly criticized for his demeanor and that he couldn’t hit bombs and only soft singles up the middle. Gabby was marred by injury had contract disputes and hated playing the slow shut down game the Wild played. He left when he was 27. He was ecstatic to leave.
    Towns probably doesn’t stay in Minnesota after his next contract. Although I will admit I don’t follow much basketball but playing for the most irrelevant sports franchise in all of sports has to get old.

    So yes their is the legend Kirby that everyone loved. I could list a dozen other stars that well probably would also say they were not fond of Minnesota.

    Garnet’s bad blood is with the owner because he wouldn’t sell him and his group the Wolves at a huge discount, the owner then sold the team for $1.5 BILLION a year later….

    Moss ran himself out of the franchise twice with his attitude, he was also let go by the other two teams he played for…

    Mauer’s issues were mostly injury related with the media (Bi-lateral leg weakness anyone???)

    Gabby is an offensive player who started his career game 1 on a terrible expansion team with ZERO offense and a defensive minded coach, that would drive any offensively talented player to want out… Gabby would love to have started his career on today’s Wild team…

    Towns is being given anything he’s asking for (DLo trade) and still doesn’t give a full effort every game. Fans getting frustrated because the team finally should be alot better than they are now… MN market isn’t conducive for getting/keeping high profile NBA talent and previous GM’s have been absolutely terrible.

    All that being said, the FANS still adore all of them!

    I wasn’t just talking about fans. More to it than fans liking you. Stars are usually some of the most sensitive and insecure individuals and want to feel wanted by the fans but also the franchise. When stars sign mega deals it is fairly rare they live up to expectations. The second you don’t fans and management will change their tune.
    Only reason KG cam back to MN is he was told when he was done he would have ownership shares. Flip passed and he was crossed again. Has been quoted as his only regret was that he didn’t go to Boston earlier in his career.
    Mauer we can agree on was turned on when he was injured. But he got all sorts of grief for his demeanor not be a true leader and not having any power.
    Gabby pretty sure you agreed with me.
    Towns let’s be honest who really cares it’s the wolves. They can cater to him all he wants if he does stay it will just show he could care less about winning.
    Moss attitude or not he played in New England can’t have that bad an attitude to play in that franchise.
    Gabby also had a history with with management and coaching. Can’t honestly say people love him here.

    Let’s be honest though how many outside of Puck have started and ended their career in MN with the love affair from fans management and coach’s. Not many. Minnesota has always had a tough time hanging on to franchise corner stones and attracting top talent FA from every sport.
    What would make this situation any different.

    As far as Edmonton. Not that surprised. They have the arguably the top two offensive talents in the league and they still can’t figure it out.

    Ice Cap
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    #2053591

    More posturing by Kaprizov? Says he has a KHL deal in place. Take it I say and I’m guessing BG is starting to think the same thing. It’s becoming more apparent he does not want to play on this team for more than three years max. He feels and he could be right the Wild are not going to be challenging for a Cup for at least 5 years. What a slap in the face to the Wild organization if he were to reject them and stay in the KHL.

    https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/kirill_kaprizov_has_khl_deal_in_place_if_wild_contract_not_settled/s1_14825_35584865

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2053593

    It’s a last chance desperate attempt to get any leverage in the negotiations by his agent. Lol, they think he’ll get a $10 million x 1 year deal when the KHL has a hard cap of $16 million per TEAM?

    Let him play another year in the crappy KHL, you know Kirill doesn’t want that…ultimately his agent will overplay his hand and cave to the Wild or get fired by Kirill!

    I think this gets resolved with a $8.5 x 5 year deal in the next few weeks…. He can the sign his max year deal when we have our lost capspace back and the cap should surge up.

    Ice Cap
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    #2053600

    I’m wondering what he’s been told by his agent thus far. Has he talked to any teammates like Zuccarello maybe they seemed to be pretty close. I’m not entirely convinced this is going to end well.

    Ripjiggen
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    #2053604

    Maybe it is postering maybe it’s his agent but one thing is for sure. The wilds plan does not align with KK’s current plan and vice versa. He was offered more money per than any other player on the team and it’s not like he said great love it here love how the team is looking now and into the future can’t wait let’s get to work in building this thing.

    Ice Cap
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    #2053665

    Maybe it is postering maybe it’s his agent but one thing is for sure. The wilds plan does not align with KK’s current plan and vice versa. He was offered more money per than any other player on the team and it’s not like he said great love it here love how the team is looking now and into the future can’t wait let’s get to work in building this thing.

    It appears now that if he comes here for however long it will be it will be reluctantly. BG will not give him a three year deal which I don’t think he should but why give a guy a 5 or 6 year deal at 8 mill or more who is not happy with his current linemates or the position of the team and it’s future? KK looks at the Wild as just marking time and wants to spend as little time here as possible. There is no possible way he does not know what the offer is even if his agent hasn’t told him.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2053671

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
    Maybe it is postering maybe it’s his agent but one thing is for sure. The wilds plan does not align with KK’s current plan and vice versa. He was offered more money per than any other player on the team and it’s not like he said great love it here love how the team is looking now and into the future can’t wait let’s get to work in building this thing.

    It appears now that if he comes here for however long it will be it will be reluctantly. BG will not give him a three year deal which I don’t think he should but why give a guy a 5 or 6 year deal at 8 mill or more who is not happy with his current linemates or the position of the team and it’s future?

    not sure I would go that far in terms of Kirill personally not happy with his teammates and the teams future, with the mostly flat cap the next 5 years any proven team with a shot at the cup has already projected their roster out that far and will have ZERO room to fit him and his contract demands into their cap without giving back the Wild significant existing and future assets (Similar to the Jack Eichel trade scenarios where no team other than Detroit or Ottawa can just take on his contract without giving similar contracts back to Buffalo)…This appears to be all AGENT driven nonsense to try and get his client some leverage (of course I don’t have 100% proof of this, nobody except his Agent (possibly Kirill) and GMBG does).

    If the KHL truly has the desire to sign him to a $10+ million a year deal now, Why didn’t they offer him anywhere close to that last year to keep him in the KHL then when he was only going to make $500k after taxes in the NHL…

    because this is all a BLUFF…GMBG and the numerous former GMs/Executives he has on his management team have gone through all of the scenarios, they know what they are doing…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23421
    #2053678

    I want to actually hear from KK himself. Everything thus far has been at the hands of his agent who has a history of being difficult.

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