2021 MN Wild/NHL Thread

tswoboda wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
No, the Kraken announce their picks at 5:00pm, so i’m guessing by 5:30pm all the teams will know who they lost and GM’s will get on the phones trying to line up any early trades involving players & picks…

I would guess a majority of any Kraken side deals have already taken place, they get the unprotected list Saturday morning and then have 72 hours to make their decisions…

You lost me somewhere in the time-zones. Draft starts at 7, our time – I’m sure they’ll drag it out a few hours for TV. And the trade freeze is still on until the next day at noon.

yeah, 5:00pm pst, my guess is the most GM’s will know before anybody else does…trade freeze just means they can’t be announced until after the freeze is over…If you’re a GM with needs do you try to get your guy(s) early or wait to see if they are still available during the typical draft day craziness?

So Bishop waives his NMC. You guys think the Kraken go after him? When healthy he is a very good goalie, but the key word is healthy.

CaptainMusky wrote:

So Bishop waives his NMC. You guys think the Kraken go after him? When healthy he is a very good goalie, but the key word is healthy.

I don’t see it for a 35 year old goalie (when the season starts) with injury history with almost $5 million caphit the next 2 seasons… There’s a bunch of good young goalies that will be available (Kaapo for one)

Use the early years of the franchise’s existence to build up a young goalie, I think the Kraken’s strategy will be opposite of the Golden Knights, they want to be terrible the first 2 years and try to get the generational players at the tops of the 2022 & 2023 drafts (Wright/Lambert/Bedard/Michkov)

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I’m excited! We have a GM who can read the room and has the balls to make a big move if it’s warranted.

Completely agree. Very exciting day to hear those two are finally gone!

Has Billy G considered offering Kirill a 1 year x $20m contract this season with the clause that he has to sign a 3 x $5 next summer. Math checks out.

Colorado gave Seattle the finger last night and traded Ryan Graves for a 2nd rounder. Doesn’t help their cap situation much though.

Dumping ZP made sense. RS, not so much. Have never been a RS fan, but even though he was getting skated around regularly, thought he showed a little more heart playing with krill the thrill. No perfect scenario and all gm’s are facing similar issues. If you look at the draft, that’s what BG is banking on and betting his job on dumping both. If the draft bet pans out, he’s a genius. If it falls flat, he’s in the unemployment line looking like an idiot.

Suter was dumped because he’s a locker room cancer, if it wasn’t an issue they probably would have road him out this year and bought him out when his skillsets fell off a cliff like Parise’s did this season… While the xpac draft slot that opened up with his buyout was very important, GMBG must have some specific plans to use that additional $5 million of capspace his buyout gives this offseason still (most likely some sort of short term answer at Center)

The dominoes will start falling AFTER the xpac draft….

Sounds like the Rangers are interested in Eichel, but there is extreme doubt they would be able to keep Zibanejad. I think he would be a good player for the Wild. He’s got a NMC, and only has 1 year left on a $5.3M deal, but I think it would fit in very well. I wouldnt give up a haul to get him since we wouldnt know if he would re-sign here.

I can’t believe a team is going to give up what’s needed for a $10 million player with a neck injury that still hasn’t done anything to fix it yet???

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I can’t believe a team is going to give up what’s needed for a $10 million player with a neck injury that still hasn’t done anything to fix it yet???

Me either. Perhaps its just the media trying to build a frenzy in a chaotic time, but I cannot for the life of me think why any GM would put up the capital being rumored to be expected to get him.

Have always “ass-u-me-d” RS was a cancer in the locker room, but nobody’s ever really opened up about it in public that’s played for the wild, or the coaches, or the organization as a whole. Have always thought it was going to be interesting once he was gone to hear if the rumors are/were true with his cancer arm chair diagnosis, and if it was more stage 4 terminal all along or just a benign lump?

Somebody want to explain the reasoning for the Detroit trade for Leddy? Do they think he can fetch better than the 2nd round pick they gave up at next years trade deadline?

Wow, sweet Lou in Long Island sure knows how to get rid of dead capspace! Hopefully Billy learns his tricks for future situations…

I don’t remember everyone that was exposed for Vegas but sure seams like a lot of big names were exposed and a lot more guys lifted their NTC this time around.
I see Zucker was left exposed. Have to wonder what this process does to the players head that are exposed and then come back. I get it’s part of sports and some tough decisions have to be made but they are essentially “hey we like you and hope we get to back we just don’t like you as much as these ten other guys” Some good veteran goalies but ones with some hefty price tags. Kappo price has to look appealing.

Some very interesting superstar names left exposed for Seattle! Will they call the bluffs and take a few of them and then turn around and flip them with some retained salary for prospects & picks after the xpac draft?
I bet you teams are calling them with exactly those types of scenarios…

If the Wild could get Johansson from Nashville with say $2-$3 retained salary would you do it for the 4 years left on his deal?

A lot of the high end names not protected are for salary cap reasons.
Teams are really struggleing with staying under the cap.

Tom schmitt wrote:

A lot of the high end names not protected are for salary cap reasons.
Teams are really struggling with staying under the cap.

The cap landscape is different this go around but it’s pretty obvious teams are protecting their 9 or 11 best contracts rather than their best players. Carey Price?!?! What a great move by Bergevin. Duchene and Joey both unprotected, seems like the obvious choice now but the GMs didn’t have the stones to do that in the Vegas draft.

The question was always did teams learn from the Vegas expansion and the answer seems to be a resounding yes. GMs realized they could make a deal with 30 other teams instead instead of just 1. Bunch of teams giving Seattle the bird and trading out their best unprotected player even if the return is only a mid round pick or average prospect. The McCann trade specifically makes Dubas look like a genius. Seattle probably selects him so Toronto really only loses a mid level prospect and a 7th in expansion. If not, then they’ve already replaced whatever other player Seattle selects.

Disappointed to see Kahkonen exposed over Talbot. It probably won’t matter as I’m guessing they take Soucy, but it seems like a near sighted choice for a team that isn’t exactly on the brink of winning a cup next year. Is Talbot better right now? Definitely. But which goalie is more likely to be a factor in the coming years when they actually have a shot to contend.

Saw rumors there’s a good chance Nick Foligno is signing with the Wild. He definitely fits Guerin’s character type but not sure where he fits in the lineup. He’s not a center anymore and seems to be aging out of a top 6 wing spot. I’d hope they only take him on a cheap or 1-year deal.

tswoboda wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Tom schmitt wrote:</div>
A lot of the high end names not protected are for salary cap reasons.
Teams are really struggling with staying under the cap.

The cap landscape is different this go around but it’s pretty obvious teams are protecting their 9 or 11 best contracts rather than their best players. Carey Price?!?! What a great move by Bergevin. Duchene and Joey both unprotected, seems like the obvious choice now but the GMs didn’t have the stones to do that in the Vegas draft.

The question was always did teams learn from the Vegas expansion and the answer seems to be a resounding yes. GMs realized they could make a deal with 30 other teams instead instead of just 1. Bunch of teams giving Seattle the bird and trading out their best unprotected player even if the return is only a mid round pick or average prospect. The McCann trade specifically makes Dubas look like a genius. Seattle probably selects him so Toronto really only loses a mid level prospect and a 7th in expansion. If not, then they’ve already replaced whatever other player Seattle selects.

Disappointed to see Kahkonen exposed over Talbot. It probably won’t matter as I’m guessing they take Soucy, but it seems like a near sighted choice for a team that isn’t exactly on the brink of winning a cup next year. Is Talbot better right now? Definitely. But which goalie is more likely to be a factor in the coming years when they actually have a shot to contend.

Saw rumors there’s a good chance Nick Foligno is signing with the Wild. He definitely fits Guerin’s character type but not sure where he fits in the lineup. He’s not a center anymore and seems to be aging out of a top 6 wing spot. I’d hope they only take him on a cheap or 1-year deal.

I read he would play #3 center here (he could be good there in a shutdown role with Marcus and Greenway) that then elevates Ek upto #2 center, or #1 if we don’t sign anybody else… I really think they are hoping Rossi blows their socks off in camp and makes the team (I know the argument about him not playing game in 8+ months, and I agree) but we’ll see, it all depends if they can find a center via trade or FA that will work…

Meh on Nick at this point. Would rather try younger or a flyer on others same age or older. Kind of know what you have in Nick

Ripjiggen wrote:

Meh on Nick at this point. Would rather try younger or a flyer on others same age or older. Kind of know what you have in Nick

price & term are everything and with all the young guys we’re likely to have on this team in the next 1-2 years, an old warhorse who’s the ultimate professional like Nick Foligno is a great person to have these guys learn from. If it’s a 1-2 year deal for $2 or less per is fine, he could be fine on the 4th line the last year of his deal if he gets a multi-year term…

He’s definitely nothing to get excited over, so yeah it’d have to be cheap. Vets like that are (hopefully cheap) insurance for our own young guys coming up. Who knows when Boldy, Rossi, etc. can fully take over big roles.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
Meh on Nick at this point. Would rather try younger or a flyer on others same age or older. Kind of know what you have in Nick

price & term are everything and with all the young guys we’re likely to have on this team in the next 1-2 years, an old warhorse who’s the ultimate professional like Nick Foligno is a great person to have these guys learn from. If it’s a 1-2 year deal for $2 or less per is fine, he could be fine on the 4th line the last year of his deal if he gets a multi-year term…

Again MEH…would rather have an old warhorse that actually has some playoff cred.

I get it that he’s no longer a name that exudes excitement, but i’d rather take a players work ethic and professionalism over perceived “playoff cred” which basically means you’ve been lucky to be on good teams for most of/a portion your career…

Swap out Patrick Maroon for any other bruiser with a fraction of goal scoring ability and people would say they have “playoff cred” instead of him….

Again we’re talking about a bottom 6 character guy likely on a short term/cheap deal… Rebuilding the team’s identity now that Parise & Suter are gone is pretty important this season, Foligno is a perfect guy to help do that…

He can also play center, which as you know on this team is invaluable…he’s likely our only non top 6 center/defenseman add this entire offseason as we have most of those slots filled up already…

basseyes wrote:

Have always “ass-u-me-d” RS was a cancer in the locker room, but nobody’s ever really opened up about it in public that’s played for the wild, or the coaches, or the organization as a whole. Have always thought it was going to be interesting once he was gone to hear if the rumors are/were true with his cancer arm chair diagnosis, and if it was more stage 4 terminal all along or just a benign lump?

Boudreau had been quoted in the past that Suter was “uncoachable”. He was talking to Suter about his role, minutes and PP1 time and apparently Suter didnt like what Bruce wanted to do to which prompted Boudreau to make the comment. Bruce was on NHL Network the day the news broke and had a hearty laugh when Parish brought up “lockerroom issues”. Take it for what its worth, but where there’s smoke there is usually fire. Suter did seem like a different guy this past season. He seemed to have more of a personality. Not sure what if anything changed, but he did seem different.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>basseyes wrote:</div>
Have always “ass-u-me-d” RS was a cancer in the locker room, but nobody’s ever really opened up about it in public that’s played for the wild, or the coaches, or the organization as a whole. Have always thought it was going to be interesting once he was gone to hear if the rumors are/were true with his cancer arm chair diagnosis, and if it was more stage 4 terminal all along or just a benign lump?

Boudreau had been quoted in the past that Suter was “uncoachable”. He was talking to Suter about his role, minutes and PP1 time and apparently Suter didnt like what Bruce wanted to do to which prompted Boudreau to make the comment. Bruce was on NHL Network the day the news broke and had a hearty laugh when Parish brought up “lockerroom issues”. Take it for what its worth, but where there’s smoke there is usually fire. Suter did seem like a different guy this past season. He seemed to have more of a personality. Not sure what if anything changed, but he did seem different.

likely he and his agent thought a buyout this offseason was possible (due to the cap savings next season) so he tried to change his attitude.

So who are hoping doesn’t get taken Soucy or Kappo?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

likely he and his agent thought a buyout this offseason was possible (due to the cap savings next season) so he tried to change his attitude.

Zoom interviews. Turns out people act different when talking to a camera in an empty room instead of a mess of reporters with mic’s in their face. Lots of players were more relaxed in post game interviews this season. Just look at Kuch lol. Also can everyone please note how ridiculous it is that we as fans judge a players character and commitment based on their interviews with the press. Like that’s some direct correlation with how they act with teammates in the locker room. I mean, I know I personally have a completely different mind set and demeanor when speaking with a client or the general public at work vs. at the office with coworkers.

Ripjiggen wrote:

So who are hoping doesn’t get taken Soucy or Kappo?

Dr. Souce was who I hoped they would lose at the beginning of the season, and I’m sticking with that. I think he’d get exposed defensively in a full time top 4 role. Use his cap space to put someone more defensive minded next to Dumba, and let Spurgeon/Brodin be the unanimous top pair. Seems there’s a lot of potential middle pair defenseman available this offseason, and I can’t think of many available $700k backup goalies with potential “goalie of the future” status.

And let’s be honest, we all want them to take the legit #1 center Victor Rask.

I would agree. I think Soucy hurts more short term but Kakko long term.
So who do we think they will take?

Ripjiggen wrote:

So who are hoping doesn’t get taken Soucy or Kappo?

Kappo in my opinion. I think the Wild are feeling that there are other goalies more appealing than him so thats why they left him.

tswoboda wrote:

And let’s be honest, we all want them to take the legit #1 center Victor Rask.

Care to guess who was on Carolina’s protected list for the Vegas expansion? LOL