We can rip Chuck for a lot of decisions he made, but to me its really unfair to overly criticize him for ZP and RS. 29 other GMs would have done what it takes to get them and in fact the players turned down more money elsewhere to come here.
The contracts by themselves weren’t that bad, it was the NMC along with that killed those deals.
Other GM’s offered more, but I doubt they included NMC’s.
We can rip Chuck for a lot of decisions he made, but to me its really unfair to overly criticize him for ZP and RS. 29 other GMs would have done what it takes to get them and in fact the players turned down more money elsewhere to come here.
The contracts by themselves weren’t that bad, it was the NMC along with that killed those deals.
Other GM’s offered more, but I doubt they included NMC’s.
NMC is pretty much standard for any top FA and Parise and Suter were the top that year…if the CBA rules stayed the way they were when the contracts were signed, they would have played out pretty much perfectly as both would be playing their likely final season this year at a low caphit and actual salary, the final 3 years were basically write-offs from a buyout perspective. As CaptainMusky mentioned, the rules changed AFTER the deals were signed…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Tom schmitt wrote:</div>
We can rip Chuck for a lot of decisions he made, but to me its really unfair to overly criticize him for ZP and RS. 29 other GMs would have done what it takes to get them and in fact the players turned down more money elsewhere to come here.The contracts by themselves weren’t that bad, it was the NMC along with that killed those deals.
Other GM’s offered more, but I doubt they included NMC’s.NMC is pretty much standard for any top FA and Parise and Suter were the top that year…if the CBA rules stayed the way they were when the contracts were signed, they would have played out pretty much perfectly as both would be playing their likely final season this year at a low caphit and actual salary, the final 3 years were basically write-offs from a buyout perspective. As CaptainMusky mentioned, the rules changed AFTER the deals were signed…
Yes please point me to any of the top UFAs in the last 15 years that didn’t get a full NMC. That was and still is standard procedure, and I guarantee every offer they seriously considered in 2012 had one included.
It is going to be very strange watching the Wild play this year with neither of them in the lineup.
I have to imagine BG signs Ian Cole, which won’t happen until after expansion. Who else will likely depend on who SEA takes. Friedman believes it will be either goalie left unprotected. Which could be the case, but I feel its going to be Soucy. Apparently teams have been talking with Francis about side deals and the ask has been “exorbitant”.
Edmundson would be an interesting guy as Joe mentioned if we were to lose Soucy.
Dvorak would be a decent Center to target, but I would certainly be kicking the tires on trying to get Hertl.
Man, the Sabres fans are thoroughly convinced the Wild bought out ZP and RS to trade for Eichel. It wouldnt have worked WITH those two on the roster, what makes them think it would work now? Man, they are insufferable.
Just read an article out of Detroit that the wings offered the exact same deal for ZP and Suter. They were both very close to signing there until they talked and got even closer to home. Yeah I don’t blame chuck for that one. Yeah NMC are pretty standard for top guys.
I agree with TSW I figured Parise was getting bought out or traded. Sounds like they just could not figure it out behind the scenes.
Suter I felt could have been handled differently for sure. Just because they signed together doesn’t mean they needed to leave together or one would be pissed off because one was moved. That scenario needed to be handled by a surgeon and it seemed like it was handled by Wreck it Ralph.
The same fans that are joyous that they are both gone will be the same ones complaining when they don’t go after free agents during those years.
The Landeskog negotiations going south is interesting, seems perhaps the days of team friendly deals on the Avalanche are a thing of the past…Makar and MacKinnon are going to want their money too then….
imo Edmundson and Dvorak are more valuable because they are in positions we absolutely need and they are on good caphit deals with 3+ years of term left, could help us get through the painful dead money years with some good cost certainty…obviously we would need to give to get… but Arizona is absolutely interested in futures and Montreal might do it to get value for a player they might unprotect and lose for nothing….
I really think a majority of the GM’s (ours included) in the league will tell Francis to go pound sand and just take his player and be done with it…It will be interesting to see if any other teams do what the Wild just did and free up protection slots with buyouts… The Wild screwed Francis bigtime…
That scenario needed to be handled by a surgeon and it seemed like it was handled by Wreck it Ralph.
I laughed far to hard when I read this. LOL
Just read an article out of Detroit that the wings offered the exact same deal for ZP and Suter. They were both very close to signing there until they talked and got even closer to home. Yeah I don’t blame chuck for that one. Yeah NMC are pretty standard for top guys.
I agree with TSW I figured Parise was getting bought out or traded. Sounds like they just could not figure it out behind the scenes.
Suter I felt could have been handled differently for sure. Just because they signed together doesn’t mean they needed to leave together or one would be pissed off because one was moved. That scenario needed to be handled by a surgeon and it seemed like it was handled by Wreck it Ralph.The same fans that are joyous that they are both gone will be the same ones complaint when they don’t go after free agents during those years.
This was a do it for both this year or never do it decision, there would have been very minimal savings to do their buyouts after this season…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
That scenario needed to be handled by a surgeon and it seemed like it was handled by Wreck it Ralph.I laughed far to hard when I read this. LOL
Where did I hear or read this line yesterday? Sounds like a Down Goes Brown comment. Gold.
Any of you guys know anything about Zack Hyman from the Leafs? FA Center with a 2.5 million cap hit. Good size, over 30 points the last 4 seasons. Might be a center we could afford.
Also, would you consider bringing Granlund back now that we have legit scorers in Fiala and KK? I haven’t seen him play much since we traded him but his cap hit is 3.7 million.
Hyman is good and will likely get $6 per season offer on the market… I haven’t seen much of Granlund play the past few years, my guess it they want several other players besides him, but if it comes to it, he might be an ok stopgap…
Any of you guys know anything about Zack Hyman from the Leafs? FA Center with a 2.5 million cap hit. Good size, over 30 points the last 4 seasons. Might be a center we could afford.
Also, would you consider bringing Granlund back now that we have legit scorers in Fiala and KK? I haven’t seen him play much since we traded him but his cap hit is 3.7 million.
Hyman is a wing. Teams are going to lining up to pay him and some fan base is going to end up very disappointed. He’s been stapled to Mitch Marner the last 3 years and played with Nylander and Matthews the year before that. Think that does anything to inflate his stats?!
I’m on the Granlund train, but it’d have to be at a “hometown” discount. All signs point to Nashville resigning him though. He struggled mightily there the first year and a half, but this season they moved him back to center and he was their most used forward… more minutes than guys like Forsberg, Duchene, and Johansen. His offensive numbers have fallen off a cliff but Nashville seems to really love his 200′ game. Most used forward in the playoffs too, and I thought he looked really good in that Carolina series. He centered a line with Kunin and some other scrub.
Give up the center dream for now, Wild need to focus on defenseman first!! They’re only going to have 3 NHL defenseman on the roster after the xpac draft…
The Landeskog negotiations going south is interesting, seems perhaps the days of team friendly deals on the Avalanche are a thing of the past…Makar and MacKinnon are going to want their money too then….
The Avs are going to be in a pickle, I think. They have 11 guys to re-sign or replace. $25Mil in cap space. Landy, Makar, & Grubauer will eat up $24Mil. Then what? Oh, and they only have 3 draft picks this year. I don’t think they’ll be the team they were this past year.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
The Landeskog negotiations going south is interesting, seems perhaps the days of team friendly deals on the Avalanche are a thing of the past…Makar and MacKinnon are going to want their money too then….The Avs are going to be in a pickle, I think. They have 11 guys to re-sign or replace. $25Mil in cap space. Landy, Makar, & Grubauer will eat up $24Mil. Then what? Oh, and they only have 3 draft picks this year. I don’t think they’ll be the team they were this past year.
Saad is a UFA as well and will be in high demand across the league as he’s a playoff stud…Landeskog wants an 8 year deal and Sakic knows that will limit him down the road especially in a few years when MacKinnon will ask for $11+ per, the Blues are rumored to have a huge offer ready when FA opens up…
Did you see that Montreal is saying Shae Weber might be out all next season with 3 separate injuries incurred this season? Could this be them laying the groundwork for an early retirement/LTIR game to get out of that contract? He sure didn’t look like he had 3 injuries during their playoff run…
Did you see that Montreal is saying Shae Weber might be out all next season with 3 separate injuries incurred this season? Could this be them laying the groundwork for an early retirement/LTIR game to get out of that contract? He sure didn’t look like he had 3 injuries during their playoff run…
It sure has been interesting seeing all the injuries reported once the Finals finished. Lots of Habs and Lightning players players played with significant injuries including Kuch (who wasnt “hurt”) playing with a broken rib. No shock since everyone pretty much thought he had that injury.
For those who have access, the Russo podcast with GMBG recorded yesterday is great, especially the honest insight into how contracts are negotiated and how he said he himself was a pain in the a$$ when he did his contracts…as mentioned by others, he’s a breath of fresh air
No doubt Shea Weber ends his career on LTIR. Pretty sure Montreal is waiting in the league for a ruling for next year and going forward. He by all accounts might be one of the toughest guys in the league to play through injuries. Apparently has been playing with a chronic foot injury for a couple years.
I kind of agree with TSW they need to bulk up and add some d men. A center or a star center may not be in the cards or have to be right now. I guess that is what I was more saying earlier about not needing to go all in for a center just for next year or just going after what is available just this year.
They just gave one center a 8 year contract and another was just drafted in the top ten. That sure seams like more of their top two future centers to me.
Eichel keeps getting brought up however.
What about a guy like Derek Stepan. He would probably sign here for a hometown discount as I know he would love to be home by his family. He is by all accounts one hell of a locker room leader and teammate. Been quoted as saying he wants to teach younger players. Plays a responsible 200 ft game. Has some offensive skill. Can play special teams and wouldn’t have a problem sliding up and down the lineup where needed.
Thinking he would probably take a 2 for 6mill type contract.
Gives you some flexibility until Rossi shows he is ready or not.
It’s nuts that the “experts” were reporting Montreal was even considering protecting Weber. He’s got more years at higher AAV left than Suter did AND he’s been injury riddled for like 5 years. I have to imagine Montreal wants him GONE. They’re pretty much off the hook for cap recapture if Weber retires early (only $2.5m if he were to get traded or retire this offseason). The penalty all goes back to Nashville, who is staring down the barrel of $20.5m if he retires early at all!!!
Colorado needs to trade away about $10m out of their middle 6 forwards – OR let Landeskog walk.
The penalty all goes back to Nashville, who is staring down the barrel of $20.5m if he retires early at all!!!
That’s one reason why GMBG did what he did…I bet Poile isn’t going to be sleeping well for the next several years, but at least Weber doesn’t seem to have any bad blood with Nashville and have any incentive to screw them over, Parise and Suter not so much….
What about a guy like Derek Stepan. He would probably sign here for a hometown discount as I know he would love to be home by his family. He is by all accounts one hell of a locker room leader and teammate. Been quoted as saying he wants to teach younger players. Plays a responsible 200 ft game. Has some offensive skill. Can play special teams and wouldn’t have a problem sliding up and down the lineup where needed.
Thinking he would probably take a 2 for 6mill type contract.
Gives you some flexibility until Rossi shows he is ready or not.
He’s been mentioned in pretty much every FA target story I’ve seen for the Wild, my only question would be does he have the game that would mesh well with Kaprizov & Zuccaello? Finding somebody with some speed and finishing ability would be ideal, that’s why Dvorak has been mentioned so much as a good fit and not at the crazy salary level… but then why would Arizona part with him for those same reasons… maybe because they are Arizona and desperate for picks and prospects?
Colorado needs to trade away about $10m out of their middle 6 forwards – OR let Landeskog walk.
How pissed does MacKinnon have to be? I mean, he signed a longer term deal at a bargain comparatively speaking and now they have lots of pieces that need to get moved around and they haven’t measured up at all to expectations in the playoffs. I bet he wants to get moved, his after the game loss essentially sounded that way to me.
For those who have access, the Russo podcast with GMBG recorded yesterday is great, especially the honest insight into how contracts are negotiated and how he said he himself was a pain in the a$$ when he did his contracts…as mentioned by others, he’s a breath of fresh air
Listening right now. Saying it would have been basically impossible to trade Parise and Suter. “It’s not even the players, its the contracts”.
Also says he wants to add some heaviness to the backend. Bring on a beefeater D man!
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Colorado needs to trade away about $10m out of their middle 6 forwards – OR let Landeskog walk.How pissed does MacKinnon have to be? I mean, he signed a longer term deal at a bargain comparatively speaking and now they have lots of pieces that need to get moved around and they haven’t measured up at all to expectations in the playoffs. I bet he wants to get moved, his after the game loss essentially sounded that way to me.
Mackinnon taking a discount is a media fabricated story. Does no one else remember when Mackinnon had 3 disappointing years after his rookie year? The team was terrible and he was a 40-50 pt player, people were calling him a potential bust. That’s when he signed the 6 x $6.5m deal he is still on. Then after signing he absolutely exploded the year Hall stole the Hart from him and hasn’t looked back since. But when he signed that deal, he was not anywhere near the player he is now. It was a fair deal at the time, Sackic gambled on the term and it paid off huge.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
What about a guy like Derek Stepan. He would probably sign here for a hometown discount as I know he would love to be home by his family. He is by all accounts one hell of a locker room leader and teammate. Been quoted as saying he wants to teach younger players. Plays a responsible 200 ft game. Has some offensive skill. Can play special teams and wouldn’t have a problem sliding up and down the lineup where needed.
Thinking he would probably take a 2 for 6mill type contract.
Gives you some flexibility until Rossi shows he is ready or not.He’s been mentioned in pretty much every FA target story I’ve seen for the Wild, my only question would be does he have the game that would mesh well with Kaprizov & Zuccaello? Finding somebody with some speed and finishing ability would be ideal, that’s why Dvorak has been mentioned so much as a good fit and not at the crazy salary level… but then why would Arizona part with him for those same reasons… maybe because they are Arizona and desperate for picks and prospects?
Sorry don’t read a ton of speculation articles.
Stepan wouldn’t cost any capital. Just money. Stepan could always shoot. His old man has one of the hardest shots I have ever seen. Haven’t watched enough of him lately to know what he has for speed left. Never was an important part of his game in the past. By all accounts he is still a good 200ft player. Can’t remember if he played on a line with Zucc in NY at all or not. Let’s be honest though. If KK and Fiala are both signed I think those two will be paired on a line eventually and Zucc will be more of that third line PP guy eventually.
They could use a player or two with some playoff experience.
I guess it’s a waiting game now as I don’t think much will happen until after xpac. draft.
I guess it’s a waiting game now as I don’t think much will happen until after xpac. draft.
Guerin basically said exactly this. Its tough to make decisions now until you know the full picture and why sign a guy that could potentially get taken in expansion? Wouldn’t make sense.
Around 5:30 pm on July 21st (after Seattle announces their picks) the floodgates likely open on trades before the NHL draft…
Around 5:30 pm on July 21st the floodgates likely open on trades before the draft…
Trades with Seattle? Not sure how that went down last time but I remember the Huala/Tuch deal being announced days ahead of time. Like basically the same time the protected list was released.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Around 5:30 pm on July 21st the floodgates likely open on trades before the draft…Trades with Seattle? Not sure how that went down last time but I remember the Huala/Tuch deal being announced days ahead of time. Like basically the same time the protected list was released.
No, the Kraken announce their picks at 5:00pm, so i’m guessing by 5:30pm all the teams will know who they lost and GM’s will get on the phones trying to line up any early trades involving players & picks…
I would guess a majority of any Kraken side deals have already taken place, they get the unprotected list Saturday morning and then have 72 hours to make their decisions…
No, the Kraken announce their picks at 5:00pm, so i’m guessing by 5:30pm all the teams will know who they lost and GM’s will get on the phones trying to line up any early trades involving players & picks…
I would guess a majority of any Kraken side deals have already taken place, they get the unprotected list Saturday morning and then have 72 hours to make their decisions…
You lost me somewhere in the time-zones. Draft starts at 7, our time – I’m sure they’ll drag it out a few hours for TV. And the trade freeze is still on until the next day at noon.
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